n
this interview, Dr. Douglas R. Green talks with Special Topics
about his highly cited work in apoptosis research. In our
analysis of this field over the past decade, Dr. Green ranks
within the top 5 scientists, with 113 papers cited a total of
14,995 times; two of these papers are among the 25 most-cited.
Dr. Green’s work can be found in several fields in ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, including Clinical Medicine, Molecular Biology
& Genetics, Biology & Biochemistry, and Immunology.
Dr. Green is the head of the Division of Cellular Immunology
at the La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology and
Adjunct Professor of Biology at the University of California,
San Diego.
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What
prior research or whose prior work helped to start you on your way?
I came from a background in immune regulation and a long interest
in the inhibition of immune responses, which I began together with
Richard Gershon, Charlie Janeway, and others at Yale. In the
mid-to-late-1980s this led me to think about the phenomenon of
negative selection and how it might come about. I had just read a book
on developmental biology that indicated that practically nothing was
known about programmed cell death in development, and the phenomenon
of negative selection
(in which antigen-stimulated developing T cells disappear from the
thymus) seemed a good system for study. It was!
What
would you rate as your most difficult or trying professional moment?
Honestly? Writing grants (and having them reviewed) is universally
difficult and trying—horrendously so. But there is no doubt that it
is through this process that ideas are organized, refined, and
communicated, and I know of no fairer way to apportion research funds.
I've been extraordinarily fortunate to have worked in countries
(Canada and the U.S.) where scientific research is so valued.
Nevertheless, when applying for support I can clearly see all the
things that might or will go wrong with the work, and the complexity
of the problems can be nearly overwhelming. Difficult or trying indeed.
Which
of your professional achievements brings you the most satisfaction?
Each time an idea is successfully tested experimentally, each time
an unexpected result turns out to be reproducible—these are
enormously satisfying. When one of the terrific people in my lab
manages to do this, that just about makes my week. Sometimes my year.
I think this is true for most scientists, isn't it?
What
impact might your work and research advances in your field have on the
general public?
Apoptosis affects every cell type and organ system; it is an
important part of normal development and homeostasis, and the major
protection from spontaneous cell transformation leading to cancer. It
is also the basis for degenerative diseases and many types of tissue
damage. An in-depth understanding of apoptosis and how it can be
controlled has wide-ranging implications for health and disease.
Did
you expect your work to become highly cited, or is this surprising to
you?
I am enormously enthusiastic about the field of apoptosis, and our
work represents only a very small contribution to this extraordinary
area of study. I didn't know that our work was highly cited, but I'm
very pleased since I am very proud of the wonderful people I have had
a chance to work with.
What
lessons would you draw from your work to pass on to the next
generation of researchers?
I always say that one should never get into science to become
famous, get rich, or attain power—this will almost inevitably lead
to terrible disappointment. Hopefully one does science because it’s
great fun—yes, there are MANY things we do that are NOT fun, but
overall, science is a blast. Remember why you got into it in the first
place, and hold that as a part of why you continue to do it, and this
will bring satisfaction and success. Enlist all your energy,
creativity, and enthusiasm for your work (who, in the world, should be
more interested in your work than you are?).
The most important lesson? Read. Read a lot. Not only in your
field. Ideas come from mixing the observations and ideas of others and
integrating them with your own.
If
you had the power to make a single, sweeping change in the way that
scientific research is conducted and presented, what would it be?
I have to admit that I pretty much LIKE the way science is
conducted and presented. I believe in process, and I think that the
way we do science today is a result of an interactive process that
constantly changes on its own. Many of the changes we seek to make in
a unilateral way negate this concept (funding by political lobbying,
elimination of professionally edited journals, etc), which would be a
mistake.
Science is a system of faith—when we read a paper we have to
believe that the work was actually done as stated, and that the
results were examined critically. Scientific meetings are one way that
we can interact in order to form these opinions about each other that
are so critical to this faith system. We should not deceive ourselves
that this is not important, or that they can be replaced by simply
webcasting lectures.
Similarly, the hard work that goes into the management and
supervision of journals by dedicated scientists provides an invaluable
service to the community, allowing us to begin to sort through the
volume of information that can be overwhelming (especially when we try
to read outside our fields of expertise). While the free availability
of literature (even of older literature) has proven to be invaluable,
I wouldn't want to see an undermining of the service that these
scientists provide to us.
In short, the system sorts itself out quite nicely—if I had the
power to make a sweeping change, I think I'd opt not to use it.
Would
you like to leave any other comments about your work or share a
personal side of yourself?
While I'm not entirely sure why I am being listed here, I
appreciate it. Most of all, it gives me a chance to thank two people
who hugely influenced and continue to influence my life. My parents,
Warren and Lila Green. As a child I grew up taking it for granted that
families go camping, take nature hikes, transplant wildflowers, learn
the birds and trees, and investigate the natural world in every way.
They encouraged me to explore my interest in science, and supported my
strange decision to do it professionally. Both my sister and I are now
scientists (Susan Trivelpiece, my sister, is a wildlife biologist who
studies penguins in the Antarctic; I am enormously proud of her). I
think we owe our scientific careers in great part to these two amazing
people. So thank you for giving me the opportunity to say
"thanks" in public.
Douglas R. Green
La Jolla Institute for Allergy and Immunology
La Jolla, California, USA
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ESI Special Topics,
July 2000
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/apoptosis/interviews/DrDouglasRGreen.html
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