Please
tell us a little about your educational background and early research.
I received my B.A. in political economy at Williams College in
1956, my Diploma in Economics at King's College, Cambridge
University, in 1957, and my Ph.D. in Political Science at Yale in
1961.
As you can see, much of my education crossed into economics, and
that experience has given me an analytical edge for much of my
research, which has also crossed those boundaries. I've taught
courses with several economists, published several articles with
economists, I have my bio in Who's Who in Economics, and even
now am in a big research project with my frequent collaborator John
Oneal and Yale economist William Nordhaus on explaining comparative
military spending across countries.
My first book (Community and Contention: Britain & America
in the Twentieth Century, MIT Press, Cambridge, MA, 1963) was on
how and why the US and UK moved from an adversarial relationship in
the 19th Century to cooperation and alliance in the mid-20th. It
began my interest in domestic politics and international commercial
exchange as possible means of reducing violence between countries—a
theme that one way or another informs many/most of the articles in
your list.
What
drew you to this field of study?
Witnessing, as a child from a very safe distance, WWII and then
the Cold War; getting a special scholarship from Williams that
allowed me to spend 56-57 in the UK; and the interest of my
dissertation adviser—Karl Deutsch, arguably the intellectual giant
in the scientific study of international relations (IR).
Would
you please flesh out the Kantian Peace Project for our readers, which
includes your most-cited paper on our list, "The classical
liberals were right: democracy, interdependence, and conflict,
1950-1985," (International Studies Quarterly 41[2]:
267-93, June 1997)?
The ultimate goal of the project is to find out what makes
international relations happen, how the world works, and what
circumstances result in violence. To do this, we had to develop a
theory and gather a great deal of empirical information.
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In the 1970s, I developed a perception with regard to Europe’s
peace: there was wealth, geographic proximity, and alliance with
America and American troop presence, all of which kept the Soviets
at bay, allowing European nations to interact peacefully. But there
had to be more to the European peace. Was it a coincidence that
these countries were all democratic, and what is it about democracy
that induces peace among neighboring nations? Was it that there was
peace because there was democracy, or democracy because there was
peace? It was an interesting puzzle, and we performed a multivariate
analysis to try to get a handle on it. Elections and leaders’
accountability for waging war were at the core of our theory, but
there was no strong evidence that we were correct in measuring
democratic norms. Other analyses turned up alternate possible
explanations, including trade and international organizations.
In 1993 I published a book, Grasping the Democratic Peace
(Princeton University Press), that tried to establish and explain
the fact that democracies almost never go to war with each other,
and rarely even get into lesser violent disputes with each other.
(This does not necessarily imply they remain at peace with
countries who do not share this characteristic.) But when it was
published, John Oneal (subsequently my co-author on this article,
and nearly 20 others as well as the book, Triangulating Peace
[WW Norton & Company, 2001]) told me that while he agreed with
much of the book he thought trade was probably as important as
democracy in reducing conflict—i.e., if nations traded together,
did that make them less likely to fight or vice-versa?—and
proposed we begin a research project. Fortunately I had the good
sense to take him up on it.
Our primary mode of analysis was like that of epidemiologists who
look at big information bases to identify the causes of disease,
only we did it for war. We did an analysis similar to some of those
in Grasping, but adding trade to an analysis of most of the
Cold War era, and found that democracy and trade deserved almost
equal credit in accounting for the low level of violent conflict
between countries that shared democracy and high levels of
trade/GDP.
From that we ultimately went on to include the effect of joint
membership in international organizations (IOs), in a somewhat free
but I think consistent use of Immanuel Kant's view (Essay on
Perpetual Peace) of how countries that shared those three ties might
manage to be at peace with each other without having peace imposed
by a world government (which Kant feared could become a
"soulless despotism"). Our conclusion was that Kant was
essentially correct in light of modern social science. This
conclusion grew out of continued refinement of our theory and
methods, and the expansion of our research back to 1885 and forward
to 2001 as we were able to create or obtain the necessary
information.
We looked at democracy, trade, and IOs as a three-pronged
feedback system. Analyses showed that trade producing peace was the
stronger element, but there was also peace producing trade that
could not be discounted. In a feedback system, all three elements
reinforce each other, and the hopeful answer is that these good
things can spread and support each other over time.
The whole thing became a very prominent and contested research
program, challenged on theoretical grounds (the previously
predominant school of IR, realism, held essentially that trade and
domestic politics had little effect) and methodological grounds
(many critiques to our statistical methods, to which we responded).
The methods were, and still are, rapidly evolving, but I think there
is now near-consensus that we are fundamentally right about
democracy, probably right about trade, and maybe right about IOs.
(On the last I have a new article, with Jon Pevehouse, that says we
may not have been right in general about IOs, but at least those IOs
whose member countries are democracies do, directly and indirectly,
promote peace among their members.) All these are of course strong
generalizations, but we don't pretend there can be no exceptions.
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It has been a great—exciting, sometimes exhausting—ride. Also
an exemplar, I believe, of how science ought to be done: theoretical
and empirical challenge to the accepted wisdom, tough but
responsible criticism from skeptics who share a commitment to
scientific method, and equally tough and responsible rejoinder as
everybody tries to sort wheat from chaff. On this project alone I
have had about 20 co-authors (colleagues around the country and even
the world, former students, and even a former M.D.), and hundreds of
other scholars involved or critiquing the endeavor one way or
another—that's what generates all the citations! We've made all
our data freely available to anyone on the web. Social science may
start from policy interests and opinions (as ours did) but it
deserves to succeed only if it can stand up to intense scrutiny.
I'd like to add that an article with Zeev Maoz in the American
Political Science Review in 1993, producing some of the theory
and results from Grasping, has been identified by the APSA as
19th on its all-time (well, since 1950) all subfields of PS list of
most-cited APSR articles.
Regarding
the methods of your research, how exactly are these analyses
performed? How does one measure a social construct?
It’s definitely harder to do than other forms of scientific
research, because you cannot measure and observe things in a closed
laboratory setting, as you would be able to do with, say, a
biochemistry experiment.
Basically, we depend on other people’s information. For
example, in our studies of democracy, rather than decide for
ourselves what constitutes democracy and therefore introduce a bias
into our data, we rely on standard unbiased data sets, such as those
from the University of Maryland and the Peace Research Institute in
Oslo. These data sets identify democracy using several dimensions
based on historical data—for instance, how competitive elections
are, or how much the executive office is held responsible for events
in that nation. Another data set we use is the Correlates of War
Project, which essentially records who’s fought or threatened to
fight whom throughout two centuries.
We have compiled information on our own a few times, based
largely on other standard data sets. For instance, we’ve looked at
the degree of economic interdependence: starting with the
International Monetary Fund trade data from 1950 on up, we developed
a method for making estimates of trade and GDP where good data were
lacking, for example, in earlier time periods. We also compiled a
big data set on shared membership in international organizations
over a long time span. This type of work makes for very good
undergrad research projects!
Several
of your papers examine the role of public opinion in military action
and conflict—would you please talk a little about your findings on
this topic?
The role of public opinion in democracies—where people not only
can have opinions but can vote freely—is essentially a restraint
on their leaders from starting wars—because leaders know they or
their parties can be kicked out if they start costly and especially
losing wars. When two democracies confront each other, both sets of
leaders know this about both of their countries, so they almost
never fight each other. (It helps that democracies win about 80% of
their wars, so democracies also recognize each other as formidable
fighters likely to make any war long and costly.) This does not mean
that democratic publics are necessarily especially peaceful—but at
least they don't like to pay the costs of losing. Dictators, on the
other hand, can usually repress their people and retain power
through heavy coercion—they don't have to satisfy the wide
population, and so are much less afraid of popular dissent. So
dictators often fight each other, and democracies and dictatorships
often fight each other.
I've done a lot of work, over decades, on public opinion on
military spending and use of force abroad that feeds into the above
project one way or another, though only one paper on your list
happens to address it directly. With regard to public opinion
influencing military spending, our studies on the Cold War and
post-Cold War eras indicate that military spending does somewhat
respond to public opinion over time.
How
has public opinion influenced the current war?
Much of my research has not actually dealt with the current
situation in Iraq, but I am seeing plenty of papers on the topic by
virtue of my role as editor of the Journal of Conflict Resolution—there
are three articles on this topic alone being published in the
December 2006 issue of the journal.
The big issue in this type of research is whether public opinion
responds negatively to war based on the duration of time without a
victory. Another big question is how much do casualties matter? In
terms of fatalities, the Iraq war’s numbers are not nearly as high
as Vietnam, Korea, or World War II. However, a side issue that tends
to get overlooked is the fact that while the fatalities aren’t as
high, the wounded level is much higher: from a three to one ratio in
prior wars to an eight or nine to one ratio in Iraq. This is partly
due to advances in medicine—essentially, soldiers are surviving
minus key body parts or with awful mental issues.
Now, in terms of a president’s popularity, the biggest factor
usually would be the economy. In this administration, if you look at
the average income per capita, the economy is doing well. But the
administration is not getting much benefit out of this, and it’s a
reasonable inference that the war is influencing public opinion. In
this case as in others, the "rally ‘round the flag"
effect has a half-life of about two months, after which the conflict
in question either goes away or worsens.
How
are your conclusions from prior papers playing out in current world
conflicts?
I think we have the best and fullest explanation for the success
of the European Union in particular, and for the peace among those
who share the three Kantian elements in general. I also believe
there is a dynamic that shows up in the continuing spread in the
number of countries who share the three elements and peace with one
another. Each of these influences has grown in strength over the
past few decades. And each works in a feedback system reinforcing
the others. It's not deterministic, but enabling. So we should work
to spread democracy, prosperity, and international institutions—peacefully.
I have never held, and in fact have explicitly rejected, the view
that it was a good idea to spread democracy by force. Some leaders
have believed otherwise—or at least tried to justify their actions
on that basis—and are discovering how hard it is to do that
successfully. So I regard such policies as a distortion of our
theory and empirical evidence. Perhaps American (and also British)
democracy will prove strong enough to extricate us from the current
failure and restrain subsequent such efforts.
You
talk about spreading democracy peacefully—how? Are there examples
out there of success?
It’s easier said than done to spread democracy, but it can be
done through diplomacy or through trade agreements. The most
important influences are what’s going on in the country in
question—its culture, its economy, and its history of democracy
(It’s easier to bring democracy back than to be starting from
scratch). With regard to the impact of culture, there are some who
say that Islamic culture hinders the development of democracy, but
actually, Islamic culture by itself is not such a hindrance—there
are several Islamic countries in Asia who have successful
democracies, such as Turkey. So it’s an overreach to say that
there cannot be democracy in Islamic nations. Much the same was said
about Catholicism; however, religious culture did not prevent
democratization in places like Poland, Hungary, Latin America, etc.
The international community can influence a nation towards
democratization. A prime example of this would be the European
Union. The EU is a very attractive place to be—the countries are
peaceful with each other, democratic, and very rich, or on the path
to wealth. There are standards and conditions in order to be a
member state: a country must be democratic and have a free-market
economy. Other organizations that utilize similar methods include
NATO and the OAS. As a matter of fact, Spain’s bid to join NATO in
the post-Franco era was governed by such incentives: Spain could
join as long as it implemented freer trade and free elections. When
the possibility of a neofascist coup arose in February 1981, the
economic incentives were powerful enough to encourage the business
factions in Spain to protect democracy.
These organizations can also step in and offer aid to formerly
non-democratic countries holding popular elections. Sending monitors
to oversee these elections has become almost routine, such as in
Africa, Latin America, and the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine.
These monitors even have the power to recommend future sanctions on
these countries if the elections are not observed to be above-board.
If
you are free to discuss them, please tell us about your current
projects.
The Kantian Peace project has been the central core of my
research for the past 15 years, and has yet to reach a point of very
diminishing returns! There are our own theories, opposing theories,
the need to reproduce results, the introduction of new variables,
etc., coupled with the fact that all the data is in the public
domain; it’s rather like riding a tiger. Personally, although I am
trying to keep my hand in, I am also looking into new projects.
Is
there anything else you would like to mention?
I would like to emphasize that this is not the work of one
person. I have had many collaborators, former and current students,
and other people’s work that feeds into this project, all of whom
deserve every bit as much credit. I am particularly immensely
grateful for my long-term collaboration with John Oneal on this
project.
Bruce M. Russett, Ph.D.
Yale University
New Haven, CT, USA