Please
tell us a little about your educational background and early
research.
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“...despite current concerns about terrorism,
peace as well as liberty and prosperity should
increase in the world.” |
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I graduated from West Point in 1968 and received my Ph.D. in
political science from Stanford in 1979. My dissertation was a
study of the Truman Administration’s crisis decision-making
during the early Cold War. I enjoyed archival research but, like
many at that time, I believed social scientific methods held
great promise.
What
drew you to this field of study?
I was in the field artillery in Vietnam in 1971. I was
dismayed by the waste of war and felt there had to be a better
way for nations to interact, so I decided to study the causes of
war, rather than how to fight them. I became convinced that a
science of international politics could point the way to a more
peaceful world.
Please
tell us about your experiences working on the Kantian tripod for
peace papers.
I had the good fortune of meeting Bruce Russett
after he and Zeev Maoz had done much to confirm the democratic
peace. I believed that economic interdependence had important
pacific benefits. We found that democracy and commerce are both
valuable. Bruce and I also were interested in international
organizations, so it seemed natural to extend the examination to
the third element in Kant’s prescription for "perpetual peace."
We wrote our book Triangulating Peace (Norton: 2001),
which pulled all three elements together, while I was a
Fulbright Scholar at the Norwegian Nobel Institute in Oslo.
Being at the Nobel Institute and working on this project was a
rare experience.
Your
most-cited paper in our analysis is "The classical liberals were
right: democracy, interdependence, and conflict, 1950-1985." Would
you please sum up this paper and its implications for our readers?
Using the epidemiological methods common to medical science,
Russett and I showed that both the economic and political
prescriptions of the classical liberals promote peace.
Democracies are unlikely to become involved in militarized
disputes with other democracies, while autocracies and
democracies are prone to conflict with each other. Because
democratic pairs are more peaceful than autocratic pairs, it
follows that a world of democratic states would be more peaceful
than a world with autocracies. Fortunately the number of
democracies and the degree of globalization are increasing and
apt to continue to do so. Thus, despite current concerns about
terrorism, peace as well as liberty and prosperity should
increase in the world. It was a wonderful feeling for me to see
that the prognosis is so favorable.
In
several papers, you mention the importance of economic
interdependence in the liberal peace. Would you please talk about
this?
Trade and foreign investment involve mutually beneficial
economic relations. This creates powerful incentives not to kill
the goose that is laying the golden eggs. In addition, economic
interaction necessarily entails the exchange of ideas that can
promote mutual regard. Eventually, international conflict may
become unthinkable, as in almost all of Europe and the Americas
today. Psychologists have shown that dehumanization makes it
easier to harm others. The benefits of trade may include such
simple consequences as the "humanization" of the people of other
countries.
Are
your conclusions from prior papers playing out in current world
conflicts?
The big, long-term challenge is the peaceful integration of
rising powers into the international system. A war between major
powers inevitably affects many other, smaller states, too. The
remarkably smooth integration of China into the international
economy has certainly contributed to the prospects for world
peace. Its involvement in international organizations has also
given it a stake in stabilizing the international system.
If
you are free to discuss them, please tell us about your current
projects.
I am currently working with Bruce Russett and Bill Nordhaus
on an extension of research on the Kantian peace. We are
studying the determinants of national military expenditures. I
remain very confident that there will be very large "peace
dividends" over the coming decades. I continue to do research on
the effects of globalization on economic development.
One very inspiring aspect of working on the Kantian peace has
been to see how Kant's speculations have been borne out. His
treatise on Perpetual Peace was published in 1795 when there
were very few democracies, trade was tightly controlled by the
state and organized on mercantilistic lines to minimize
interdependence with other powers, and there were no
international organizations as we know them. He called his 1795
treatise a "philosophical sketch." Only after 200 years with
changes in those conditions, enormous data-collection efforts,
and the development of computing capacity was it possible
actually to test Kant's theories. It is wonderful to have been
involved in that enterprise.