Two
of your three most-cited papers are on the subject of peace and
democracy. How did you get started on that work, and what do these
papers conclude?
I became interested in the broad question of democracy and peace
in the early 1990s, inspired by people like Rudolph J. Rummel and
Bruce Russett. The 1997 paper in the Journal of Conflict
Resolution (Gleditsch NP, et al., "Peace and
democracy—three levels of analysis," 41:283-310) deals with
the democratic peace at the interstate level: the fact that
democratic states rarely if ever fight one another, although they
may frequently be involved in conflict. We found that democracies
are more often at war with autocratic states than the autocrats
fight each other. On this basis, we conjectured that an increase in
the number of democracies would lead to more war as long as there
were very few democracies, but that in a world of many democracies
additional democratization would bring more peace. In today’s
world, I think we’re on the part of the curve where more democracy
brings more peace.
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“With the Cold War now gone, I think the international community is more concerned with settling conflicts than with fighting by proxy.”
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The 2001 paper in American Political Science Review (Hegre
H, et al., "Toward a democratic civil peace? Democracy,
political change, and civil war, 1816-1992," 95:33-48) looks at
the democratic peace in relationship to civil conflicts, where you
find a slightly different regularity: democratic countries have few
internal conflicts, but that is also true of highly autocratic
countries. So the most frequent civil conflicts are actually found
in the in-between countries—in the semi-democracies or
semi-autocracies.
Does
the 2002 Journal of Peace Research paper "Armed conflict
1946-2001: a new dataset" (Gleditsch NP, et al., 39[5]:
615-37, September 2002), your most-cited, represent a change in
direction in your research?
No. Most of the analyses of the democratic peace have made used
of data from the Correlates of War Project, initiated by J. David
Singer. It’s a highly regarded project that for over 30 years now
has served as the main database on international war and internal
war. But it has a relatively high threshold of 1,000 battle deaths
for something to be called a war.
Many of the armed conflicts today are low-level conflicts, which
sometimes go on for a very long time. I’m also the editor of the Journal
of Peace Research, and we started looking around for suitable
database of comprehensive conflict data in order to publish annual
updates in our journal. After considering several alternatives, we
decided to team up with the Uppsala Conflict Program at Uppsala
University. Since 1993 we have published an annual update on armed
conflict with a threshold of 25 battle deaths in a given year. This
gives us wider coverage than the Correlates of War Project.
So
why is the 2002 version of the updates the most cited, rather than any
of the other years?
That is a joint article between scholars at Uppsala and PRIO that
we published after we had spent considerable time, effort, and money
backdating the dataset to 1946, giving us a time series for the
entire period after World War II. Our aim was to create a new
standard dataset for the study of armed conflict, the first choice
for scholars analyzing armed conflict statistically. I think we’ve
had some success. The subsequent updates are also frequently cited,
but this was the first article with a long time series.
Did
this replace the Correlates of War dataset?
No, their data are still being used by many people, including
ourselves. We’re not aiming to make them obsolete, but to supply a
data series that includes the smaller conflicts. We are also trying
to add new features to the database, such as more accurate start and
end dates for the conflicts, data on the geographical center of the
conflict and extent of the battle zone, and revised data on battle
deaths.
How
did you decide on 25 deaths a year for your threshold of what you
would include?
That’s quite arbitrary. We just had to set a threshold and we
had to be consistent. We picked 25 because we figured it was high
enough to be a significant conflict and low enough that it would
include most of the conflicts we were interested in. Some conflict
datasets have thresholds as low as a single death, or even none. The
main reason we wanted a higher threshold was to avoid bias by
over-reporting conflicts in open societies with accurate news
reporting. Armed violence causing more than 25 deaths in a year is
likely to appear on the media’s radar screen, almost regardless of
where it occurs. Our colleagues in Uppsala who record the
information are dependent on news sources for a great deal of their
coding, particularly for the more recent conflicts.
And
how do you define battle deaths? Does that include civilians, for
instance?
That means military or civilians killed in battle-related
violence. It does not include indirect deaths—people dying of
starvation or disease in the aftermath of a conflict. The Uppsala/PRIO
dataset as presented in the 2002 article and subsequent updates does
not include the absolute number of battle deaths. But it does have
two thresholds: 25 deaths for being recorded as an active conflict
and then 1,000 battle deaths for being coded as a war. In two
articles principally authored by Bethany Lacina and published in
2005 and 2006, we describe a new dataset on battle deaths, matched
to the basic conflict data. Obviously, it’s early days yet, but we
hope that the battle-deaths dataset will also become a standard tool
for conflict researchers.
So,
according to your database, is the world becoming more or less
violent?
We find, contrary to what you might believe from the media, that
conflicts have actually become less bloody over time since World War
II. If you look at a longer time period—the entire twentieth
century—you see it’s really an inverted U-shaped curve. Wars
became more deadly through World Wars I and II. Of course, if World
War III had broken out as a nuclear war between the two superpowers,
that would have been even deadlier. After World War II, the risk of
getting killed in battle worldwide has decreased substantially. But
battle deaths are very dependent on single wars. The curve for
battle-deaths has a large peak for the Korean War, another one for
the Vietnam War, and a third for the Iran-Iraq War and the
Soviet-Afghanistan war. But those peaks are progressively lower, so
the overall impression is a curve that declines. The current war in
Iraq could reverse that trend, although I believe that war-weariness
will affect the US long before the casualties reach the levels of
the Vietnam War. A nuclear strike in the Middle East would also
ensure a dramatic reversal. We are dealing with low-probability
events, but potentially extremely hazardous ones.
Why
do you think the wars are getting progressively less deadly?
That is the question we would most like answer, but it will take
a lot more work than we have done to date. Going back, though, to my
first point about the democratic peace, I think that one factor is
that a higher share of countries are democratic today then ever
before and a higher proportion of the world population live under
democratic governments.
Another factor is the end of the Cold War and the fact that
superpowers are no longer fuelling wars around the world. Both the
Korean War and the Vietnam War started out as local conflicts. Then
the superpowers got involved on the two sides, and the wars ended up
being a lot larger and bloodier than they would otherwise. There
were numerous conflicts like that in the Third World during the Cold
War, although not quite as deadly as those two. With the Cold War
now gone, I think the international community is more concerned with
settling conflicts than with fighting by proxy. The UN has been able
to play a much more active and constructive role, although it failed
to prevent the 2003 Iraq War.
What
do you consider the most challenging part of this research?
Apart from the problem of trying to understand a complex world, I
am also struggling to understand what my younger colleagues are
doing, in terms of advanced statistical methods, mathematical
modeling, and so on. I realize that I’m very fortunate to work in
an active research environment with lots of talented young people,
so this is obviously a luxury problem.
Is
this the primary way the field has been changing?
It’s one of them. Most of my highly cited articles are
co-authored. This is quite a normal pattern in other fields. Indeed,
in the hard sciences, it would be pretty unusual to have a
single-author scientific paper that isn’t an editorial. This is
becoming much more common in social sciences, particularly in those
areas where people make use of methods inspired by, and sometimes
borrowed from, the hard sciences.
What
is your research concentrating on today?
My research now falls into three major areas. We’ve been
talking about democracy and peace, and about developing new conflict
data. The third area is the question of environmental factors in
conflict, and this is my main research area at the moment. The
working group that I head within the Centre for the Study of Civil
War is on environmental factors. In other words, how do factors like
resource scarcity or abundance influence the probability of
conflict? There’s been a lot of interest in that area,
particularly after the end of the Cold War. Many scholars as well as
policy-makers thought that the end of that ideological conflict
would lead to an increase in other forms of conflict, such as ethnic
wars or struggles over scarce resources. In the work within my
working group at the center, we find that resources do matter for
conflict. But my view is that the apocalyptic scenarios for global
scarcities are considerably exaggerated.
How
rapidly has the state of our knowledge about armed conflicts evolved
in the past decade?
I think it’s changing quite rapidly. The end of the Cold War
meant breaking up some of the old standard patterns in world
politics, and that meant new opportunities, a lot of work, and a bit
of new excitement in the field.
What
message would you give to the lay public about your research?
Let me select a somewhat political message since peace research
is an applied field. That the number of armed conflicts is declining
and conflicts are becoming less bloody are signs that the
international community must be doing something right. We are a long
way from stable peace worldwide, but we should learn from our
progress. It should be in principle possible to banish war—probably
not in my lifetime but perhaps in my children’s. That’s my
dream.
Hopefully peace research will be able to contribute to the
continuing decline of war. There are some 30 ongoing armed conflicts
in the world and that’s 30 conflicts too many. But if you look
back only a few decades the situation looked considerably worse.
Nils Petter Gleditsch
International Peace Research Institute, Oslo (PRIO)
Oslo, Norway