pecial Topics correspondent Gary Taubes recently spoke with Dr.
Lisa Randall about her highly cited work in brane theory. In our
analysis of brane research over the past decade, Dr. Randall has eight
papers cited a total of 1,038 times, ranking her among the top 15
scientists in this specialized area. Two of these papers are in the
top 10. In ISI
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papers listed, cited a total of 2,479 times, in the field of Physics.
Dr. Randall is Professor of Physics at Harvard University, where her
research is concentrated in the area of particle physics.
June 2002: read an interview
with Lisa Randall titled "NMIT's Lisa Randall on The Other Warp Factor,"
from Science Watch® 12[4]:3-4, July-August 2001.
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What was it that led you to the idea of large extra dimensions that
you pursued in your two highly cited articles in Physical Review
Letters?
The real answer is that we weren't intending to do what we did. We
were working on another problem and this is what came out of it. We
were trying to solve a problem that relates in particular to the
theory known as supersymmetry. If you break this supersymmetry, which
you would have to do since we haven't yet observed any supersymmetric
partners, you also get all sorts of interactions present that you
don't want to have. It looks like it's very hard to prevent those,
however, from coming out of the theory. The fundamental observation
was that if you have additional dimensions, you could separate out
some of the field theory components. In other words, if you have more
than one brane—which you can think of as a kind of a lower
dimensional subspace of the full 10-dimensional space—you can put
supersymmetry on a completely different brane. In effect, you've
physically separated supersymmetry from the world we live in—we call
it sequestering it. And if the physics is local, as we believe it is,
you can get a suppression of these potentially dangerous interactions
because the only thing that will communicate with us is gravity, which
doesn’t include the bad couplings.
So the idea we came up with was that by physically isolating this
supersymmetry sector you can solve the problem we set out to solve.
Just to understand everything well, we worked out the details of how
this would work, and in the process we worked out the geometry
associated with the system we had. We found the solution was this
remarkable geometry. And we realized that this geometry, in and of
itself, led to a solution of the hierarchy problem. So it was more of
an observation. We hadn't actually set out to address this problem.
It's just once we saw this geometry, we realized it had this
remarkable property.
What exactly is the hierarchy problem?
The gist of it is that the universe seems to have two entirely
different mass scales, and we don't understand why they are so
different. There's what's called the Planck scale, which is associated
with gravitational interactions. It's a huge mass scale, but because
gravitational forces are proportional to one over the mass squared,
that means gravity is a very weak interaction. In units of GeV
[billions of electron volts], which is how we measure masses, the
Planck scale is 10 to the 19th GeV. Then there's the electroweak
scale, which sets the masses for the W and Z bosons. These are
particles that are similar to the photons of electromagnetism and
which we have observed and studied well. They have a mass of about 100
GeV. So the hierarchy problem, in its simplest manifestation, is how
can you have these particles be so light when the other scale is so
big.
What do you consider the significance of your two papers for the
field? In other words, why have they had such an impact?
The two papers are sufficiently distinct to have to answer
differently for each of them. In "Large
mass hierarchy
from a small extra dimension," (L. Randall, R. Sundrum, Physical
Review Letters 83: 3370-3, 1999) we discuss the hierarchy problem.
And there's just not a whole lot of solutions to the hierarchy
problem. The only ones that have been discussed in any detail have
been supersymmetry and a theory called technicolor, which didn’t
seem to work. Now this gives us more possible explanations. So you
then want to explore the possible implications both for experiment and
theory. You want to explore a new idea. It's that simple.
In the second paper—"An alternative to compactification,"
(L. Randall, R. Sundrum. Physical Review Letters 83: 4690-3,
1999)—we observe that you can actually have a consistent
four-dimensional-looking theory of gravity, even without having a
second brane. Suppose you have a theory with a single brane and five
dimensions. Now naively, if you had a fifth infinite dimension, you
wouldn’t have thought that the gravitational force you see is a
characteristic of four dimensions. After all, in four dimensions you
see gravity fall off as one over distance squared. Naively, in five
dimensions, you would find it fell off as one over distance cubed. But
this changes when you have a brane. The brane gives you a different
geometry. If you have a flat brane that carries energy in the bulk of
the five-dimensional space, then you find that the geometry can’t be
just flat space. In the simplest theory, it actually looks more like
the graviton—the particle that mediates gravity—is trapped on the
brane. It doesn't literally live on the brane, but most of its
amplitude is concentrated near the brane .
Do we live on the brane?
I have to discuss different possibilities. One is that the universe
we live in is the Planck brane, which localizes the graviton. Another
is that we live on a second brane, which is the case where we
discussed the hierarchy problem. We generally assume that we live on a
brane, but it may not be the brane on which gravity is concentrated.
Suppose that gravity is highly concentrated near what I'll call the
Planck brane. So gravity is concentrated on one brane, the Planck
brane, and we live on a second brane, not precisely on top of the
first brane but a little apart. Gravity on our second brane would
appear to be weak. And that's precisely what we wanted to explain: why
gravity appears to be so weak. That's the hierarchy problem—why
gravity is so weak. And this follows from the key insight that we
don't actually have to talk about how to get a huge mass scale; we can
talk about why gravity is so weak.
So why has this paper generated so much interest and so many
citations?
Well, it went in the face of what everyone who has studied gravity
has believed. We always thought if we have extra dimensions, we had to
do what's called compactifying them, which is to say they curl up so
that they can't be seen from our point of view. If you look at
distance scales larger than the size of this curled-up dimension, the
physics would reduce to being four-dimensional again. In the standard
"conventional" scenario, if you have extra dimensions, they
are curled up very small. The reasoning is as follows: if you probe
distance scales smaller than the extra dimension, you would see higher
dimensional physics, for example, one over r-cubed as the
gravitational force scale. However, if you look at distance scales
bigger than these extra dimensions, it would look like
four-dimensional physics. You can understand it in a very intuitive
way: if you look at a garden hose, for instance, far away it looks
like a one-dimensional line. Only up close do you realize it's
actually a cylinder. So if you look from far enough away—that is,
only look on large distance scales—you wouldn’t know these other
dimensions were there. So we've known this compactification could
work. You could have the extra dimensions of string theory, but you
curl them up and you wouldn't see them. It wasn't thought to be
possible to have a theory with extra dimensions that wouldn't
compactify and still have the physics reduce to four-dimensional
physics here. So our theory, that you could have an infinite extra
dimension that wasn't compactified, was a radical departure from
conventional wisdom.
What was the first reaction from the community?
I guess it's fair to say that we weren't believed by everyone at
first. Some people assumed there must be something wrong.
Why did you choose to publish in Physical Review Letters?
Well, in addition to it being an important journal in the field, we
knew the article would be read by a broader audience. Although we are
particle physicists, we thought the work would be of interest to
general relativists and cosmologists who might not otherwise read some
of the other journals we might publish in.
Is it widely accepted now as a viable theory?
Certainly, it's now widely accepted in the sense that it clearly
does reproduce the four-dimensional physics and is clearly a viable
possibility. Is it really a theory of the world? Who knows?
Does it offer the possibility of predictions that could be tested
by experiment?
That’s difficult. The cosmological implications have not been
sufficiently well explored at this point. Certainly, as far as
particle physics goes, unless there's a second brane and we go back to
the hierarchy problem, the effects would be hard to notice. That’s
what's so amazing: we have a theory with an infinite fifth dimension,
but it's indistinguishable from four-dimensional gravity. In some
sense, you can say that all evidence we have for four dimensions might
equally well be evidence for these other theories.
Is there anything you would do differently if you could go back and
do this research again?
I can't actually say yes to that. Because one of the things that
was so interesting about all these theories is that they, in effect,
told us what was going on. So it was a matter of figuring out the
implications of what they were telling us. We were trying to solve one
problem and found ourselves led into this situation where we were
working out the consequences of what we were observing. With
hindsight, you could say if we knew this was the problem we were going
to end up solving, we could have done things differently, but we
didn't know.
Are you surprised by the impact the work has had?
Well, I actually thought they were important papers, but I often
think my papers are important and it’s not true that the rest of the
community always agrees with me. So I guess the answer is yes and no.
And one of the things that is very nice is it has had an impact not
just with people doing physics similar to what we do, but in the more
general community, as well, including string theorists, particle
physicists, general relativists, and cosmologists.
What do you think the future holds for your research?
That’s a good question. I'm not sure I have a good answer. I
think the cosmology will be interesting, trying to understand the
relationship between some of the things were thinking about and
cosmology. As for particle physics, once the Large Hadron Collider
turns on at CERN, we will actually start having data that will change
the whole topography in which we’re doing physics. And one of the
great things about physics is that we often get surprises when we turn
on a new accelerator.
Is there one message you'd like to convey about your work to the
general public?
I think it is important to recognize that particle physics is
actually an evolving field. The pace of experiments has slowed down,
but the pace of ideas has not.
Lisa Randall, Ph.D.
Harvard University
Department of Physics
Cambridge, MA, USA
June
2002: read an interview
with Lisa Randall titled "NMIT's Lisa Randall on The Other Warp Factor,"
from Science Watch® 12[4]:3-4, July-August 2001.
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