INTERVIEW with Dr. D Craig Allred
ESI Special Topics,
July 2001
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/breast-cancer/interviews/dr-d-craig-allred.html
r. D. Craig Allred, Professor of Pathology in
Breast Cancer at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas,
discusses his work with the role of p53 in breast cancer. His
paper, "Association of P53 protein expression with
tumor-cell proliferation rate and clinical outcome in
node-negative breast-cancer," (Journal of the National
Cancer Institute, 85[3]:200-206, 3 February 1993) has been
cited 369 times, making it one of the most highly cited papers
in breast cancer research of the 1990’s.
Dr. Allred also
serves as the chair of the Breast Pathology Committee of the
South West Oncology Group, and is a member of other national
committees focusing on breast cancer research.
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What
unexpected or serendipitous events arose in the course of your
research?
Some of the results we were getting in the p53
study were quite unexpected. For example, we were surprised at how
strong the association was between p53 abnormalities and poor clinical
outcome in patients with breast cancer. In fact, it was the strongest
predictor of poor outcome of any single factor known at the time,
including tumor size and proliferation rate. We were also surprised
that the prognostic power of an abnormal p53 status was independent of
tumor proliferation rate, since the thinking at the time was that the
primary function of p53 was to down-regulate the cell cycle. This
study was performed before we knew that p53 played so many other
important roles in the cell such as regulation of programmed cell
death, and our results were a hint that alterations of these other
functions were important clinically. The assay used in this study
measured nuclear accumulation of p53 protein by immunohistochemistry (IHC)
as a surrogate for detecting stabilizing but inactivating point
mutations in the p53 gene. To our surprise, we also found that a
fairly large proportion of breast cancers have elevated p53 protein
but apparently no mutations. More importantly, patients whose tumors
showed elevated protein without mutations still had a very poor
clinical outcome - we still do not understand this.
What
role did practical support (facilities, funding, etc.) play?
This study was possible because of the unique
resources available. The most important were our tumor bank,
containing over 120,000 samples of frozen human breast cancers, and
our team of biostatisticians and research scientists who had obtained
detailed clinical and biological information on a large proportion of
the tumors. To my knowledge, there is no other tumor bank like this in
the world. The bank and research team were started nearly 30 years ago
by the late Dr. Bill McGuire. Since Bill’s untimely death about 5
years ago, the team has remained together, maintaining the tumor bank
and adding to the enormous database of information about the tumors.
Most of the financial support for all of this was provided by the NIH
in the form of a Program Project grant and SPORE (Specialized Program
of Research Excellence).
How
do you see the current state of affairs in your field and its
prospects for the future?
Interest in finding biological features of a
tumor that predict clinical behavior began in earnest about 15 years
and has gained momentum ever since. Today, the type of treatment given
to breast cancer patients is heavily dependent on knowing their tumors’
status for certain biomarkers, such as the estrogen receptor.
Unfortunately, we only know about a few useful prognostic factors in
any type of cancer.
Cancers arising in specific organs such
as the breast can look very similar under the microscope but their
clinical behavior can vary tremendously. There are underlying
biological abnormalities responsible for these differences in behavior
and we have learned that individual tumors may contain a large number
of potentially important alterations. Until recently, due mainly to
limitations in technology, investigators in this field were only able
to evaluate one factor at a time by labor-intensive methods such as
Western blotting, or immunohistochemistry, or manual sequencing of
DNA. Progress has been slow and frustrating. Technical advances made
in the past few years—such—as automated DNA sequencers, cDNA
microarrays, tissue arrays, and so on—have the potential to
dramatically increase the rate at which important factors can be
identified, evaluated, and translated to the bedside. Using these
tools, I think it is very likely that we will learn more in the next 5
or 10 years than we have up to now.
What
are the implications of your work for the future of your field in
terms of clinical/therapeutic applications/products?
The treatment of patients with breast and other
types of cancers is becoming increasingly dependent on the biological
phenotype of their tumors. Specific alterations call for specific
types of therapy. For example, breast cancers expressing the estrogen
receptor are highly responsive to tamoxifen, and those over-expressing
the erbB2 oncoprotein are responsive to an exciting new drug call
Herceptin.
Our study of p53, along with others, confirmed
that alterations of this gene were associated with very poor clinical
outcome in untreated patients, and this information is now being used
by some oncologists to justify using adjuvant chemotherapy in certain
patients. Because p53 plays such important roles in DNA repair and
programmed cell death, mutations of this gene may also influence tumor
response to cytotoxic drugs or radiation - but the jury is still out
on this issue, at least in breast cancer. Because most cancers contain
several biological abnormalities, it is very unlikely that any single
biomarker, including p53, will be able to tell us everything we want
to know about a tumor’s potential behavior. In the future we will
probably be assessing a large number of genes and pathways
simultaneously to obtain a comprehensive biological fingerprint.
What
would you rate as your most difficult or trying professional moment?
I have been very lucky to work in a time and in
places where I had the freedom and resources to pursue my research
interests. I guess, like anyone else, I get disappointed when a paper
gets rejected or a grant fails to get funded, but in the long run even
these minor setbacks have a way of working out for the best in the
sense of improving the quality of the science.
Which
of your professional achievements brings you the most satisfaction?
I have gotten a lot of satisfaction by being
able to bring my perspective as a pathologist to a multidisciplinary
team of breast cancer researchers that includes oncologists, surgeons,
biostatisticians, and molecular biologists.
For example, our bank of 120,000 frozen breast
cancers consists largely of tissue remaining after hormone receptor
assays performed at various clinical laboratories. Until recently,
these assays were biochemical in nature and required the tissue to be
"pulverized" to prepare an extract for the test. This was
done in liquid nitrogen using an automated instrument called a tissue
press, which is really just an expensive mortar-and-pestle. We
believed that the tissue was smashed to paste and only useful for
biochemical analyses. Because of the ultra-cold temperatures involved,
however, it occurred to me that perhaps the tissue was shattered like
glass into small but otherwise intact fragments. We developed a method
to rehydrate, concentrate, and process the samples like routine
clinical tissue in a pathology laboratory so they could be evaluated
under the microscope. As suspected, the fragments were intact
histologically. This trivial method made it possible for us to use our
tumor bank in a variety of new ways we never thought possible before,
such as immunohistochemistry and laser-capture microdissection. It has
been very useful.
Aside
from your scientific career, what is your greatest or most
compelling ambition in life?
Become a better fly fisherman?
D. Craig Allred, M.D.
Baylor College of Medicine
Department of Pathology
Houston, TX, USA
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ESI Special Topics,
July 2001
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/breast-cancer/interviews/dr-d-craig-allred.html
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