INTERVIEW with Dr. Alan Heeger
ESI Special Topics,
July 2001
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this interview with ESI correspondent Gary Taubes, Dr. Alan
Heeger of the University of California, Santa Barbara
discusses his work with semiconducting and metallic polymers,
and how this work has evolved over the years. In our analysis
of high-impact papers in the special topic of conducting
polymers, 146 of Dr. Heeger’s papers were cited a total of
5,881 times, making him the most-cited author in this field.
In addition to his work at UCSB, Dr. Heeger is the chief
scientist at the UNIAX Corporation and also won the 2000 Nobel
Prize in Chemistry.
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Could
you give us a short overview of the evolution of organic polymer
science?
In the early days, the 1970s, we were laying out the initial
discoveries and then building up the framework of the field. The big
thing in the early 1980s was the theoretical work on solitons etc.,
and then the synthesis of a range of new materials that really began
to lead to the promise that we would have soluble, processable
polymers that would still have the optical properties of metals and
semiconductors. At the beginning of the 1990s, a couple of things
happened. First, the field matured to the point that we knew enough
about polymers to synthesize stable polymers with specific energy
gaps. Around 1990 this led to the discovery of LEDs, the application
that was discovered in Cambridge by Richard Friend and his
collaborators and that created one focus of much of the work in the
1990s. A second focus was the work on soluble polyaniline. There had
been a lot of discussion suggesting that organic polymer metals would
never be stable and never be processable. In the early 1990s, Cao,
Smith, and I published a series of papers showing that it could be
done.
Your
most cited publication of the decade was the 1991 paper in Applied
Physics Letters, "Visible-Light Emission From Semi conducting
Polymer Diodes" (D. Braun, A.J. Heeger, 58[18]: 1982-4, 6 May
1991). What was that about and why did it have such an impact?
That was a follow-up on the original LED work done at Cambridge by
Friend and his collaborators. That work opened the field of LEDs, but
the efficiencies of those LEDS were very low. In effect, you had to
almost dark-adapt your eye to see them. The efficiencies were in the
neighborhood of 1/1000ths of a percent. Still, that was the beginning
of the LED field. But very quickly after that Braun and I were able to
get the efficiency up to one percent, which is what this paper was
about. It demonstrated that these LEDs might be something that could
be commercially interesting. So Friend deserves the credit for the
initial discovery without any doubt, but our paper demonstrated that
the efficiency could be high enough to be of technological relevance.
What
is the efficiency of polymer LEDs now, and what is needed to be
commercially viable?
Well, we reported approximately one percent in that early paper. I
think efficiencies have improved up to 8 to 10 percent in polymers.
And that is in serious displays that we are making at UNIAX, the
company we started here in Santa Barbara, where we’re actually
processing a whole display. There are some reports in the literature
with polymers and particularly with small molecules of even higher
efficiency. So it’s gone up by at least a factor of ten in the past
decade.
Is
that enough?
Yes and no. It’s probably enough to get initial products out. For
example, the efficiency we have now with green emitting polymers—where the eye is most sensitive—are good enough such that if used
in the display of a cellular telephone, they would save energy and
give more talk time between charges. But they’re not yet good enough
in all colors and that’s an ongoing problem. We—and that’s the
global we—are pushing toward full-color displays. So far,
efficiencies and lifetimes are not good enough in the blue and red for
that application.
What’s
polyaniline and what makes it so important?
It’s a critical step. It’s a conducting polymer that has
electrical conductivities approaching those of conventional metals. We
use it for making electrodes. Take LEDs, for example. Polyaniline is a
transparent electrode. So it points out one of interesting features of
these polymer metals in that they have properties that are different
from regular metals in many ways. One is they are not shiny and
silvery in the visible part of the spectrum. The plasma frequency is
in the infrared. So they look shiny and reflective in the infrared but
in the visible spectrum they’re basically transparent. So we use
polyaniline to make a bi-layer electrode, with indium-tin-oxide, or
ITO, which is a well-known transparent conductor and which can be put
down on glass, for example, or plastic. Then we put a layer of
polyaniline from solution on top of that to make the bi-layer. That is
pretty much the way all these LEDs are made now. The wonderful thing
is you can put this metallic polymer easily onto the surface of ITO,
and make this bi-layer electrode because you’re just casting the
film from solution. The effect is you stabilize the ITO, which
otherwise has a tendency to change its work function. This makes the
device much more efficient.
How
would you describe the current state of affairs in your field and its
prospects for the future?
If you plotted it, it would look like a hockey stick. We’re just
taking off now. A lot of hard work has been done on the synthesis of
new materials and somehow proving the industrial viability. Let me use
the LED as an example again. The first device lasted only minutes.
While it immediately attracted some attention in the scientific
community, there was a lot of skepticism about commercial
applications, and rightly so. People felt these materials would never
be pure enough to lead to commercially interesting products. Why is
that? Think about semiconductor technology. The breakthrough in the
1950s was to make ultra, ultra pure silicon. We’re not talking about
one percent, but parts-per-billion purity in conventional
semiconductors. Now if you think about polymerization reactions and
polymers, it’s a wonderfully creative area to design and synthesize
new polymers, but it’s a lot like cooking. You’re making these
things in a soup, with catalysts and this and that, and the idea that
you would end up with something sufficiently pure to be used in
semiconductor devices was hard for people to accept. So I think only
when we began at UNIAX to show lifetimes of many thousands of hours
did that become believable. That kind of lifetime is now being
produced in many labs around the world. And you know how science is:
once you know that something can be done you get there a little bit
faster. I’m hopeful that progress will be even more rapid from now
on in.
What
about devices other than LEDs?
In a parallel effort, starting around 1987, I published a little
paper with two of my students that showed how to make a diode by
casting the polymer from solution. That was Tomozawa, Braun, and
Heeger and it was a first, in the sense it anticipated a whole
development of plastic electronics. We made a diode by casting the
active semiconductor polymer from solution. Now what’s happening is
Philips, for example, has recently has been using semiconductor and
metallic polymers, casting from solution and using simple processing
methods, to make integrated circuits. They’ve demonstrated
integrated circuits with real functionality and thin-film transistor
arrays that can be used to drive liquid crystal displays. So the use
of these materials in plastic electronic devices is just taking off
now. Philips’s integrated circuit is a beautiful example. By
relatively simple methods, they’re able to make an integrated
circuit containing a semiconductor polymer processed from solution
that has a whole range of simple applications. They can basically
print them onto a label. So the vision is that every item in the
supermarket, for instance, would have this kind of circuit on it, and
you can do all the pricing and check-out simultaneously by just
walking through the check-out stand. This kind of technology is not
trying to compete with the elegance and high speed of silicon, which
is deeply entrenched and very successful. Polymer mobilities are not
nearly as good as those of silicon. But we can go in another
direction. We can make functioning, very low-cost circuits by printing
techniques and do it in incredible volume.
At UNIAX, we put a lot of effort into developing photo-detectors
and photovoltaic cells from these polymers that stemmed from a Science
paper published in 1992. The first author was Sariciftci (N.S.
Sariciftci, L. Smilowitz, A.J. Heeger, F. Wudl, "Photoinduced
electron-transfer from a conducting polymer to Buckminsterfullerene,"
258[5087]: 1474-6, 27 November 1992). That paper also opened a new
direction toward photo-detector and photovoltaic cells, which has
developed very well in the intervening eight years. We’re now making
photo-detector arrays that are capable of doing digital photography in
color. We are excited about that. Sariciftci, who was the lead author,
is now a professor of physical chemistry in Lindz, Austria, and has
put together an institute focused on this application. They recently
reported solar cells with three-percent efficiency, which is within a
factor of two of what amorphous silicon can do. But again, the cost is
potentially much lower simply because of the processing advantages of
these polymers.
The other advance that comes to mind is lasers. That’s a fun
story. In the summer of 1996 we had, as we do every other year, a
major international conference in the field. It’s called the
International Conference on Synthetic Metals. We came to that
conference with great excitement and enthusiasm because we had
discovered you could make lasers out of these polymers. It turned out
three independent groups had come to that meeting, each thinking they
had done it first. That was our group, the Friend group from
Cambridge, and the Vardeny group from the University of Utah. We all
appeared at this meeting with basically the same kind of data. That
really gave the field a new kick because suddenly you could imagine
lasers of all colors from this technology. We have plenty of lasers
from other technologies, but inexpensive thin-film lasers with all
colors would open a number of interesting opportunities. Now that’s
been developing. The community also now has very low-threshold
optically pumped lasers. The Holy Grail is still an electrically
pumped injection laser, and while we have not yet succeeded in doing
that, I’m optimistic that we will. People at Bell Labs this summer
demonstrated for the first time an electrically-driven laser based
upon a single crystal of an organic molecule, which is a good step
along the way, and I think that the methods they have developed are
applicable to the polymers.
So as I review the 1990s in my mind, I see the LED discovery at
Cambridge and the work we did quickly pushing up the efficiency. The
next step was the demonstration and beginning commercialization of
soluble metal polymers that enable all these devices to go. The next
step was the discovery of this photo-induced electron transfer, which
leads to solar cells, and the next big one was the
1996 discoveries of
amplified stimulated emission and lasing done by several groups.
Are
you surprised at how this has played out over the years?
Sometimes things are obvious after the fact. But each one of these
things was in a way a surprise. The LED itself was a surprise. With
hindsight maybe it shouldn’t have been, because light emission from
semiconductors was known, but it came out of nowhere in this field.
The early polymers had not been luminescent. The idea of very
high-efficiency solar cells is incredible. The discovery of lasers and
laser action was a real surprise. There had been research and
publications that suggested this was never going to happen because of
concentration quenching, which is a well-known phenomenon in small
molecules. All of those things were a surprise. The last one, in a
technology sense, was a surprise even to me; that we were able as a
community to get the purity of these materials up to a level which is
sufficient to make electrical devices from polymers that will work and
last for years. That was far from obvious.
Where
would you like to be five years from now, and what are your long-term
research goals?
There are many. One opportunity I see goes back to the beginning of
the research in polymers in metallic forms. We have not even begun to
approach the limits to the intrinsic properties of these materials. We
are making metals from these polymers but they are relatively poor
metals. They’re very disordered. If you cast a film from solution of
a high-molecular-weight polymer what you get is a tangled spaghetti.
What you really want, if you want very high performance, is more like
spaghetti in the box before you cook it. You want aligned chains that
are chain extended. The theoretical work tells us that when you do
that, you will have metals which have electrical conductivities
significantly higher than copper or anything else and have a strength
greater than steel. This is really high performance and something
worth going for. The first steps have been taken. In case of
polyacetyline, even in the 1980s we were able to demonstrate
conductivity approaching that of copper with a strength comparable to
steel, and we were nowhere near the intrinsic limit. This is a very
interesting goal of polymer science: manipulating polymer chains into
forms that are most useful. We need some help in that from the polymer
community but I think it can be done.
As far as other things, we’ll see the development of these
electronic devices in a variety of directions. One thing I’m also
very interested in right now and we’re beginning to work toward is
biology. We’re using these polymers as elements for biosensors.
Several groups in the country and around the world are working on
that. The work falls on the boundary between physics, chemistry, and
biology. And that’s where you often find new things. There have also
been some reports in the literature around the idea that you might be
able to use metallic polymers for the repair of nerve damage. If that
were the case, it would obviously have a major impact. That’s
something else I’d like to look into. There’s a lot of vitality in
this field, and lots of new ideas still emerging from the simple fact
that what you have here are materials with the electronic and optical
properties of metals and semiconductors, while retaining the
processing advantages and mechanical advantages of polymers.
Dr. Alan J. Heeger
Institute of Polymers and Organic Solids
University of California, Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA, USA
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ESI Special Topics,
July 2001
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