INTERVIEW with Dr. Jean-Luc Brédas
ESI Special Topics, April
2002
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Jean-Luc Brédas, named one of the top five researchers in
conducting polymers by a Special Topics analysis in 2000,
recently spoke with correspondent Gary Taubes about his highly
cited work. The results of the analysis show that, over the
period 1991-2000, Dr. Brédas has 102 papers in the conducting
polymers area with a total of 1,919 citations to his credit.
His most-cited paper in the analysis, "3rd-order
nonlinear-optical response in organic materials—theoretical
and experimental aspects," (Chemical Reviews 94
[1]: 243-78, January-February 1994), ranks at #14 with 258
cites (it has currently 319 cites). Since the Special Topics
analysis, another of Dr. Brédas’s papers has gained a
significant number of citations. This paper, "Electroluminescence
in conjugated polymers," (Nature 397 [6715]:
121-8, 14 January 1999) currently has close to 400 citations,
according to the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product. Dr. Brédas is a Professor in the Department of
Chemistry at the University of Arizona in Tucson.
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Your
most-cited paper is the 1999 Nature article with Richard
Friend and a host of others on "Electroluminescence in
conjugated polymers." Why do you think that had such an impact?
That article was a short review that described our understanding
of the processes underlying electroluminescence in these materials.
It was the result of a collaboration with Richard Friend's group at
Cambridge as well as Bill Salaneck’s group in Linköping, Sweden
and Carlo Taliani’s group in Bologna, Italy. It was written to
provide a description of the state of the art in these conjugated
polymers and also to give insight into the material requirements and
into what the remaining issues were. I think it is a very good
starting point for people who want an overview of what the field of
polymer electroluminescence is all about. This field is attracting
major interest because there is a big potential market for
electronic polymers (plastics). Among other things, you can use them
to build flexible displays. The review came at the right time, in
the sense that at that point the field had matured for almost 10
years. As you know, when a new field develops, especially in
materials chemistry or physics, there are so many observations that
are actually dependent on the quality of the sample that the
researcher is studying. So you often get contradictory results in
the beginning, simply because people think they are looking at the
same materials, but actually they are looking at polymers that are
prepared in slightly different ways, and even small defects in the
sample can lead to very different results. By 1999, I think the
field had matured enough so that people could get a very clear
understanding of the basic concepts. So the paper was timely, and
being a review of just eight pages, it is very readable.
The
highest-impact paper out of your group alone was in Chemical
Reviews in 1994: "3rd-Order Nonlinear-Optical Response in
Organic Materials—Theoretical and Experimental Aspects." Here,
you're going to have to explain what nonlinear-optical responses are
and what makes third-order responses so interesting.
Here's a good way to look at it: imagine the interaction between
light that is an electromagnetic radiation and matter. In most
instances, what's really important is the interaction of the
electric field of light with matter. When light strikes a molecule
in a material, it induces a dipole moment in that molecule, and
under the usual circumstances the magnitude of that induced dipole
moment is a linear function of the electric field of the light.
Nonlinear optics starts when there occur deviations from these
linear relationships. Then, one has to add second-order (quadratic)
or third-order (cubic) terms to describe the induced dipole moment
in the molecule or, more generally speaking, the induced
polarization in the material.
The "proportionality" coefficients at various orders
are known as molecular polarizabilities and they are usually denoted
as alpha, for the first-order (linear) polarizability, beta for the
second, gamma for the third, and so on. Generally speaking, beta is
about six orders of magnitude smaller than alpha, and gamma is about
six orders of magnitude smaller than beta. The fact that alpha is so
much bigger than beta and gamma, explains why only the linear effect
is seen in normal circumstances. However, when you have laser light,
which can be of very high intensity, you can have extremely large
electric fields associated with it; the second- or third-order
effects can then become significant and can be observed. Thus,
nonlinear optics is a field that really started with the advent of
lasers in the 1960s.
Can
you give us an example of what nonlinear optics does and why it’s
important?
Well, second-order effects, for instance, can be used to double
the frequency of light. You can have an input beam interact with a
material in which the molecules have a very large beta value and you
can get an output signal that will have twice the input frequency.
It means you can have an input beam with the frequency of red light
and the output can be blue light. So you can "up-convert"
the frequency of light. Some 15 years ago, people were interested in
the high-beta organic materials to double the frequency, for
instance, of the lasers that are used to read compact discs. When
the frequency becomes twice as large, the wavelength is twice as
small, and it means one can read four times as many bits of
information in the same area. A currently much sought-after
application is known as the electro-optic effect, in which one can
modulate the characteristics of the input beam of light through
interaction with a static electric field. That's one of the
applications in telecommunications for which people are trying to
use conjugated organic materials. One advantage of these materials
is that the modulation of the light can be done at very high
frequencies, meaning a faster processing of telecommunications
signals.
What
about third-order responses?
With third-order effects, there are many problems to overcome,
but it has been demonstrated that, at least in some prototypical
cases, one can use them for all optical computing or optical
manipulation of light. So instead of manipulating a ray of light
with an external electric field, as in the electro-optic effect, one
manipulates light with light. This is the field people refer to as
photonics, to be contrasted with electronics or optoelectronics.
That means all the signals that are generated, manipulated, and
stored are optical signals. And you don't deal anymore with
electronic signals.
A third-order effect of high current interest is two-photon
absorption, which corresponds to the simultaneous absorption of two
photons by a molecule. The applications are numerous and range from
biomedical imaging to nanofabrication and optical storage of
information.
Why
do you think your paper had such impact in the field?
What we were doing in that paper was first trying to describe the
basic principles that make organic materials so interesting for
possible third-order nonlinear optical effects. I believe it is one
of the reasons why the paper is so widely cited. Then, there is a
second part of the paper in which we described the techniques that
are used to probe the third-order nonlinear optical effects; this
was written in collaboration with the group of my excellent
colleague and friend, André Persoons at KU Leuven, Belgium. In the
third part of the paper, we looked at families of organic materials
and described their third-order, nonlinear optical properties. It
was a pretty big paper and it took me a long time to get it to the
point where I was happy with how it looked.
Were
you surprised by the number of citations?
Yes. Often when you write for Chemical Reviews, the papers
are expected to have good impact, but the magnitude of this impact
still surprised me. It was good, though, because we worked pretty
hard to put it together. At one point, I took two full months and
did virtually nothing but teach and work on the paper and make sure
everything was right. So the fact that it has been so highly cited
makes it worth the effort.
Are you satisfied with the pace of your research and what
you've accomplished?
I must that say that in my field, in the 20 years since I got my
Ph.D., it's just been one exciting discovery after another. I am
continually fascinated by these conjugated organic materials. For
instance, we are now involved in a totally new type of application,
in which the conjugated polymers are used for their transport
properties; for instance, they can be exploited as the active
elements in new generations of (flexible) transistors.
In fact, what we've been doing for the past two to three years is
trying to understand what is the effect on transport of the
electronic interactions among neighboring chains or neighboring
molecules. And we have been trying to understand that from a
microscopic point of view, which is a rather original approach.
Indeed, until fairly recently, when people were considering the
transport processes in organic materials, they did it from a mostly
macroscopic standpoint. It was a very phenomenological type of
approach. We are now trying to bridge that approach with one that
was developed originally in the 1950s in chemistry, and which
relates to electron transfer reactions. Rudolph Marcus from Caltech
got the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1992 for what has become known
as Marcus theory, which is the theory of how charges can hop
(transfer) from one atom or molecule to another to make a chemical
reaction. We are trying to adapt those techniques to take a very
microscopic, chemical point of view to study how a charge might move
along a polymer chain and how it might hop from chain to chain. That
requires a new level of sophistication in the calculations: Whereas
in the past, we only looked at isolated molecules or polymer chains,
now we look at what happens between neighboring chains or
neighboring molecules. From the point of a view of a theorist, it's
a much more complicated task, but it's very rewarding. It defines
kind of a new era and that is a very positive feeling.
How
would you describe the unifying theme in your research?
Let me describe it this way. It is performing
electronic-structure calculations and applying them to materials
chemistry and physics, in particular to uncover the fascinating
electronic and optical properties of conjugated organic materials. A
main characteristic of our research is that, even though it is
theoretical in nature, it has always been conducted in very close
collaboration with experimentalists; it’s been a wonderful ride
because we have been fortunate to collaborate with the leading
experimentalists in the field.
Over the years, each new major development has been based on new
applications of conjugated polymers that, in turn, required yet a
new level of theoretical analysis. For instance, when I finished my
Ph.D. in 1979, it was a glorious time right after the discovery of
conducting polyacetylene, which eventually led to the 2000 Nobel
Prize in Chemistry awarded to Alan
Heeger, Alan MacDiarmid, and
Hideki Shirakawa. At that time, the most important issue was to
characterize the nature of the ground state of the polymers from an
electronic structure standpoint. A major question was: How easy is
it to try to take an electron away from these polymers or to add an
excess electron, so as to modify their electrical conductivity? To
answer such a question required mostly the evaluation of the polymer
ground-state properties. The next generation of polymers or
oligomers that caught people's attention came along in the
mid-1980s; these were conjugated materials with good nonlinear
optical properties. To describe those properties, theorists needed
to describe accurately the excited states. They needed to know the
nature of the excited states that couple strongly with the ground
state, and which other excited states couple strongly with these
excited states. So being able to characterize the excited states of
polymers or long oligomers was the next step in theory.
Then, in 1990, Richard Friend discovered that
polyphenylenevinylene, or PPV, is electroluminescent; that is, when
you drive an electric current through PPV it emits light, which is
what you need to build a light-emitting diode (these are the
processes described in our Nature paper discussed above). In
that case, it required theorists to go beyond a static picture of
the excited states themselves, and to look at the dynamics in the
excited states, for instance to consider all the relaxations that
can take place and study in detail the fate of the excited states
and how you can optimize the material to get as much light out of it
as you can.
So it has been a steady progression toward new understanding.
What is remarkable is how much the field of conjugated polymers
mixes basic and applied research, how new fundamental understanding
helps in designing more efficient devices. Electronic and photonic
plastics have a bright future!
Dr. Jean-Luc Brédas
University of Arizona
Department of Chemistry
Tucson, AZ, USA
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ESI Special Topics,
April 2002
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