An INTERVIEW with Rosemary Hails, Ph.D.
ESI Special Topics, April
2003
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this interview with Special Topics correspondent Simon Mitton,
Dr. Rosemary Hails discusses the surprising impact today of
the research she performed a decade ago, on the impact of
genetically modified oilseed rape (canola) on natural
habitats. The paper in question, "Ecology of transgenic
oilseed rape in natural habitats," (Nature
363[6430]: 620-3, 17 June 1993) garnered 111 citations in our
analysis of genetically modified crop research published over
the past decade, making it the second-most-cited paper in this
analysis. In the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, Dr. Hails has 11 papers cited a total of 290
times to date in the field of Plant & Animal Science.
Dr
Hails’s current position is a Group Leader in Quantitative
Ecology at the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology (CEH) in
Oxford, UK. The CEH is one of the Centres and Surveys of the
UK’s Natural Environment Research Council (NERC). It is the
leading UK body for research, survey and monitoring in
terrestrial and freshwater environments. CEH has nearly 500
scientific staff, and well-equipped laboratories and field
facilities at nine sites throughout the UK. Dr Hails’s
Quantitative Ecology group uses a combination of ecological,
theoretical, and molecular approaches to study the ecology of
individuals, populations, and ecosystems.
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Rosemary,
would you like to tell me about your higher education?
I went to the University of Oxford and studied zoology at Lady
Margaret Hall. After my freshman year I had to choose whether to do
zoology or botany. Because of my interest in animal behavior I chose
animals; I was interested in both plants and animals and my later
career has merged to look at various animals and tropics. After
Oxford I went to Imperial College, London where I worked at Silwood
Park, their field station to the west of London.
That
must have been an exciting place to study for a doctorate.
Yes, Silwood Park is a world-class field station. Today it has
more population ecologists at one site than anywhere else. I joined
when it was significantly smaller. I was there for about 10 years in
all and by the time I left, the Centre for Population Biology had
been based there and it had expanded considerably. My doctoral
thesis was with Mick Crawley and it was with him that I developed my
later work on transgenic plants.
Who
determined what research you would do for the Ph.D.?
Well, at that stage, I was more or less alone but obviously
guided by my supervisor. Mick was essentially a plant ecologist and
my thesis was actually on the population dynamics of an insect that
had recently invaded England. The common theme which started then,
and has continued throughout my career, is an interest in the impact
of invasion by alien species. I did have input from a number of
other people at Silwood Park who were primarily interested in insect
population dynamics, sex ratio theory, and similar topics.
Prior
to the work on oilseed rape what were you and your colleagues working
on?
Our project arose partly because Mick Crawley himself was sitting
on the national
Advisory Committee on Releases to the Environment (ACRE) at the
time. It soon became apparent that people were going to ask very basic
questions about genetically modified plants, particularly their effect
on the natural environment. Although we could theorize about what might
happen there was no hard empirical data to guide us.
At
that stage in the 1990s, was the general public or the UK government
taking an interest in transgenic plants?
There was relatively little interest from the public when we
started. When we were doing these experiments we were actually
simulating invasions in natural habitat and monitoring what
happened. Whenever we did this we had to seek government permission
from ACRE. We had to demonstrate that we were taking adequate safety
precautions and we also had to advertise in the areas where we were
doing the experiments. By and large there was very little response
to those announcements. I think we had one meeting with some
interested local people in Cornwall but we were doing these
experiments in Cornwall, Berkshire, and up in Sutherland and it was
only really that one place where it sparked any interest. These
days, of course, we have to contend with skeptics and activists who
don’t draw the line at passive demonstrations. Some experimental
crops have been ripped out by environmental activists.
Your
1993 Nature paper was one of the first to address concerns that
transgenic plants might be bad for the environment. Can you talk a
little about that?
Essentially that paper asked what would happen if we introduced
the genetically modified plants into a variety of different
habitats. This research is quite context-specific, so we did it for
different habitats in three different regions of the UK. We wanted
to weed out those elements that were going to be generic from the
other elements that were going to be context-specific.
Basically, our paper asks a very simple question: to what extent
would the transgenic and conventional plant population increase in
these particular natural habitats? We can measure that by a very
simple parameter called the finite rate of increase—that is to
say, the number of plants in one generation divided by the number of
plants in the previous generation. Obviously if it is greater than
one, that plant population is going to increase, and if it is less
than one it is going to decline. The answer for the transgenic
plants we were looking at was that they were never significantly
fitter than their conventional counterparts. Now I need to qualify
that with a couple of statements. The oilseed population will
increase if you exclude competition from other plants: oilseed
cannot compete effectively with natural vegetation. The other
qualification was that we started these experiments in the late
1980s. At that stage the only transgenic plants available for
experiments were plants that had either marker genes or
herbicide-tolerant genes. Of course an ecologist would not expect
these to have any kind of ecological advantage, but these were
questions which needed to be answered with hard data.
The bottom line is essentially that these particular plants do
not invade natural habitats and genetically modifying them does not
make them any fitter to do so. In fact the seed survival was
actually slightly reduced in the genetically modified plants—that
might not be specifically because of the genetic modification but
more in the way in which that particular line had been produced.
Were
other groups conducting similar field trials?
No, we were the only group with extensive experiments.
To
what did this paper lead?
It continued my interest in both risk assessment in genetically
modified organisms and invasion in general throughout the rest of my
research career. I went on from there to consider genetically
modified pathogens: how you alter the nature of the host pathogen
interaction if you either insert or delete specific genes. I work
with insect-specific viruses. A given virus will have a specific
host range and attach to a number of species, and they can persist
in the external environment in the form of little protein packages
which protect the DNA. The insect then consumes these virus packages
along with its food. Then it breaks down in the gut and infects the
tissues and by the time the insect dies it is a bag of mush. The
virus particles are spread all over the foliage to spread the cycle
again. My interest in them is that they can be very easily
formulated as a biopesticide and sprayed using conventional
equipment, but one of their disadvantages is that they take time to
kill the host—up to a week—which is not desirable, and that’s
why they have been subject to genetic modification. There are ways
in which you can enhance the speed in which they kill their host—I
am interested in the ecological consequences of that.
What
are you doing now at CEH?
I’m considering the risk assessment of transgenic plants. I
have a small group which aims to develop risk-assessment protocols
to where we can maximize the more generic elements. Then we focus in
on which elements of the risk-assessment program have to be case
specific. We are considering those kinds of transgenic plants that
we might expect could enhance the ecological fitness of those
plants.
Why
did the Nature paper stimulate so much interest?
I think it is often cited to demonstrate why transgenic plants do
not have enhanced ecological fitness. You have to be careful to
qualify that because we are talking about those specific genes which
have been inserted into that plant. So while it is an important part
of the jigsaw you have to be careful about extrapolating too far.
One reason the paper is so popular is that there are very few direct
experiments, particularly in the UK, with transgenic plants in
natural habitat. Under the current political climate I don't think
it would be possible to repeat those experiments.
The
regulators would intervene?
It would be difficult. That is why we are taking a different
approach. We are now trying to piece together all the information
you need to know about the plant and its hybrids and wild relatives.
Oil seed rape is a very popular study as it has wild relatives in
the UK. This makes some predictive risk assessment and we can
suggest whether or not particular transgenic plants could pose an
ecological problem. I must stress that the best test of risk
assessment will be very carefully monitored experiments in natural
habitat.
Rosemary Hails, Ph.D.
Quantitative Ecology Group
Centre for Ecology and Hydrology
Oxford, United Kingdom
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ESI Special Topics,
April 2003
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/gmc/interviews/DrRosemaryHails.html
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