An INTERVIEW with Dr. Benjamin D. Santer
ESI Special Topics,
June 2002
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/gwarm/interviews/DrBenjaminDSanter.html
pecial
Topics correspondent Gary Taubes talks with Dr. Benjamin
Santer of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in
California about his highly cited work in global warming
research. Our analysis of the field over the past decade
places Dr. Santer among the top 15 scientists. Dr. Santer is
also a co-author on the #3 paper in our analysis,
"Time-dependent greenhouse warming computations with a
coupled ocean-atmosphere model," (Climate
Dynamics 8 [2]: 55-69, December 1992). In ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, Dr. Santer’s work can be found in the
Geosciences field. Dr. Santer is a Research Scientist with the
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison at
Livermore.
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What
was the initial motivation for the climate model that led to your
highly cited 1992 Climate Dynamics
article?
I have to backtrack for a second to answer that. After I
completed my Ph.D. in 1987, I wound up doing a post-doc at the Max
Planck Institute of Meteorology (MPI) in Hamburg. The Institute was
led by Professor Klaus Hasselmann, and the focus of MPI was on
developing a coupled atmosphere-ocean climate model. At that time,
the U.S. had a number of different climate modeling centers—in
Princeton, in Boulder, and in New York—the British had a climate
modeling branch at the Meteorological Office in Bracknell, but the
Germans were just in the process of trying to develop a coupled
atmospheric-ocean model with which to perform greenhouse warming
studies. When I came to Hamburg, I soon became involved in these
efforts to use the climate model they were
developing for global warming experiments. My interest was not so
much in developing models, but in looking at results of experiments
and comparing the model with nature, with the actual data, and
trying to figure out whether the model projections of climate change
matched the actual observations of, say, temperature change at the
Earth's surface.
And so the motivation of that 1992 study, the first author of
which was Uli Cubasch, was to take a slightly different look at this
issue of global warming. The way in which modelers made the
comparison between their model predictions and the observed climate
variables had not been all that systematic up to that point in time.
What we tried to do was put this comparison with observations on
firmer statistical footing. This involved using signal-processing
techniques. Essentially, we were trying to look at the model and
figure out what the climate signal was in response to the imposed
changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide. We wanted to find out where
the signal’s largest, and in which climate variables it’s most
obvious. Was it in temperature, pressure, rainfall, winds? We asked
those kinds of questions and tried to address them in the paper. The
other climate modeling groups had not really focused on the
statistical aspect of this issue: how do you extract a climate
change signal from the model data that (like in the real world
itself) contains both signal and a background "noise"?
That was one thing that really distinguished this paper from its
predecessors: the focus on the statistical aspect of the problem.
Was
there another distinguishing feature, as well?
Yes. A second thing that was rather innovative at the time was
the focus on sea level changes. Not many modeling studies had looked
at sea level changes in response to global warming. These sea level
changes result in part from the warming of the oceans and the
thermal expansion of seawater. We tried to quantify that effect and
understand how much sea level might change in response to changes in
atmospheric carbon dioxide. That's an issue that remains of
considerable practical concern to many people.
What
prompted you to look at the change in sea level?
I think much of the credit has to go to Professor Hasselmann. He
wanted to do something different, something that distinguished the
Max Planck Institute and the German climate modeling effort from the
other international efforts going on. He didn’t want it to be just
the same old thing with a different climate model. So it was
Professor's Hasselmann's vision that made this paper rather special.
Were
you surprised by the influence this paper has had?
Yes, because it was not published in a high-impact journal like Nature
or Science. And Climate
Dynamics at the time was a journal that was more or less in
its infancy. I'm gratified that it’s done so well.
What do you consider the biggest obstacles at the moment to
global warming research and climate modeling?
There are many. I think it's tough to put your finger on any one
and say this is the neuralgic point—like finding one pain point in
the body and saying this is where it hurts the most. There are a
number of obstacles that limit our ability to understand the nature
and causes of climate change. One is clearly the climate models. We
have an imperfect understanding of clouds and how they interact with
incoming sunlight; how they modulate climate change. We have an
imperfect understanding of important physical processes. Modeling
rainfall, for instance, is very tricky, and clouds and rain are
important for both the Earth's radiation budget and the hydrological
cycle. What limits modeling is often observations. Or to put it this
way, the limitations in climate modeling go hand-in-hand with
limitations in the observations themselves: how well we can measure
and understand very basic physical processes? Inadequacies in key
observational records are another serious obstacle to continued
progress in climate modeling.
What
would you like to achieve in your research in the next decade?
Many scientists around the world believe that there is indeed a
discernible human effect on global climate, and that this conclusion
is based on a solid scientific underpinning. The problem is
quantifying the size of the human effect. Is it large or small in
historical climate records? How large is it likely to be in the
future? There are many efforts directed towards answering these
questions, and improving our estimates of the size of the human
contribution to climate change. I'd like to contribute to these
efforts. I’m particularly interested in looking at a whole range
of climate variables—not just temperature, which is the focus of
most climate change detection studies. Many people are a little
uneasy with studies that look at temperature only. They feel, quite
rightly, that a human effect on global climate should be manifest in
more variables than temperature alone. We should also see it in
pressure and rainfall. The climate system should be telling us an
internally consistent story. Some of my own future research will
consider whether the changes in a number of different climate
variables are indeed internally consistent. And I’d also like to
study new and innovative climate change "fingerprints,"
like the rapid increase in the height of the tropopause (the
boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere). The warming
of the oceans is another promising "fingerprint" of human
effects on climate. Unraveling the causes of climate change is the
ultimate detective story. I hope I’ll be involved in this story
for a long time to come.
Dr. Benjamin D. Santer
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
Livermore, California, USA
In this ESI Special Topics feature, Professor W. Lawrence
Gates, one of the executive editors of Climate
Dynamics, provides a brief commentary about the status of this journal in global warming
research.
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June 2002
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