Ionic
liquids is a hot new field. It seems to have come out of nowhere just
five or six years ago. So how did you originally get into this line of
research?
That requires a long, long answer. I was working in Oxford, back
in about 1980, on vanadium(IV) phosphine compounds. We sent in
reports to the U.S. Navy, which had funded the work, and about six
months later, we got a letter back asking if we could make a
salt-potassium hexachloromolybdate(IV), and I said sure. So I went
to the library to see how to make these things and I discovered it
was pretty well impossible. I’m sitting in the library with all
these journals open, every known article on the subject, and I’m
getting bored, thinking, "Me and my big mouth," and on the
page opposite one of these articles was a paper by Bob Osteryoung on
room-temperature molten salts, which is what ionic liquids were then
called. And I thought, "That’s a jolly good idea—these
would be an ideal environment in which to try and make these
compounds." So I wrote a proposal to the U.S. Air Force and
three weeks later they flew me out to their laboratories in
Colorado. What I didn’t know then was the reason they wanted the
compound I was supposedly making was to make batteries in
room-temperature molten salts. It was a complex coincidence. John
Wilks was also there, and Chuck Hussey from Mississippi was visiting
the lab at the same time. And they taught me everything they knew
about these room-temperature molten salts: how to make them, purify
them, work with them—they were extremely generous. And these were
just extremely interesting materials. My one original thought was,
"I bet these would be pretty good solvents for doing chemistry
with." That was 1981. That’s where everything started.
Your
highly cited papers, however, were in the late 1990s. That’s nearly
two decades later. What took so long?
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“Chemistry in ionic liquids is totally different than chemistry in the molecular environment of a normal solvent. The kinetics are different. The thermodynamics are different. The outcome is different. Everything is new.”
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At that time I was in Oxford. I moved to the University of Sussex
to a Lectureship in Experimental Chemistry, as it was called. And it
takes a year or two to get up and running. I then sent an
application to the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research
Council (EPSRC), our equivalent of your NSF. It was a proposal for
ionic liquids and catalytic chemistry, and we got a gamma rating.
Now, alpha means this is wonderful and if we have the money we will
fund you. Alpha-plus means we will definitely fund you. Beta means
it has some merit but it may not get funding. Gamma means never
darken our doors again; we never want to hear from you, ever. Along
with our gamma rating, they sent the referees report. Referee #1
said, "This chemistry is so complicated it will never
work." Referee #2 said, "This chemistry is so trivial, it’s
not worth doing." Referee #3 said, "Why isn’t he doing
the neutron diffraction of vanadium bronzes?", which had no
relationship to our proposal. He obviously had the wrong proposal in
front of him.
So we were basically rejected as a joke. And the EPSRC is
supposed to fund speculative and interesting work. A year and a half
later we took the same proposal to British Petroleum, which had a
special Venture Research Unit, headed up by Professor Don Braben,
who was helped by Dr. David Ray; they looked at the proposal and
said this is really exciting. Now, this is industry. You would think
they would be hard-nosed, but this Venture Research Unit was also
sometimes called the "blue sky research unit". They sent
the proposal off to internal review at British Petroleum and we got
very strong backing from Professor Mike Green, who was at BP at the
time. About a year later, we got a grant for over a quarter of a
million pounds. In 1987, that was a massive amount of money. So big
it hit the newspapers—The Daily Telegraph—not the science
pages, but page five: "BP funds super-solvent." On that
grant, I hired Tom Welton, who was doing his DPhil at the time, and
that was the start of everything that happened. Without Don Braben’s
support, insight, and encouragement, the field of ionic liquids as
we now know it, this article (and probably this website) would not
have happened.
We then had 10 years of research on ionic liquids in which we
published almost nothing, because I thought if I published too
quickly all the big American groups would jump in and leave nothing
for us. So I let things accumulate, and I only published a few
articles that obviously wouldn’t have any industrial applications.
Your
highly cited papers are not in the most well-known journals. Was this
part of the plan?
That was part of the thinking but those papers are from the time
when we decided to go public. This was all post-1996. In 1999, you
see a huge take-off in publications of ionic liquids building on
these articles. One of the reasons we’re so highly cited is that
these papers are the key markers that people refer back to. Since
the 1990s, my philosophy has been it doesn’t matter a damn where
we publish. When did I last look at a journal? Maybe 20 years ago.
How do you find references? You search on the web. You find
something relevant. You download it. In chemistry, the place you
publish doesn’t matter. As long as it’s extracted by ISI and as
long as it’s hit by search engines, it doesn’t make any
difference. The content and quality of the work is what matters, not
where you put it.
Okay,
but your article, "Ionic liquids for clean technology" was
published in the Journal of Chemical Technology and Biotechnology.
Just tell us how you chose that journal for this article.
We published in a Russian journal before that, which came out of
a conference, and I never expected it to be seen. They twisted my
arm. I went along with them. So this was now the first time I
seriously proposed in the West that ionic liquids could be used for
green synthesis and green chemistry. We had been doing it for a
while, but we hadn’t put out in public that this was a potential
application. So once again I was asked to speak at a conference,
this time on green chemistry, and that was the journal that was
publishing papers from the conference. I had never even heard of it.
How
has the field changed in the seven years since then?
It has become unrecognizable. At that time there were less than
20 papers a year being published, and 19 of them were usually on
electrochemical applications. It looks like this year alone more
than 1,000 papers will be published. That’s almost more in a week
than we used to publish in an entire year.
Are
you surprised by this explosive growth?
No. The reason we stuck with it from 1981 to 1997 was that we
believed in it and we could see the real potential, the value added,
the new chemistry, and the green chemistry spin-off. And one of the
reasons we sat on things is we knew it would spread like mad once it
got out there. People would plunge on it and rip us to pieces.
Were
you able to compete once the frenzy started?
We stayed ahead.
What
was your secret?
The secret was industry. After the BP grant, we got another large
one from Unilever, and following this we had huge and enthusiastic
support from a wide range of industries. We could do more and try
out things on a much wider range of subjects than we would ever have
dared to do if we were working on our own.
How
did you get around the usual pressure from the University to publish
during the years you were sitting on this?
The reality is we were publishing a lot. We just weren’t
publishing on ionic liquids. That isn’t my only field. I work in
other areas of chemistry, and I work with the British Library and
the Oriental Institute in St. Petersburg and the Hermitage on
conserving ancient manuscripts. We have done a lot of work in an
area called crystal engineering. So it was no problem keeping up our
publication rates.
What
finally convinced you to go public in 1996?
The fact that we had such a body of work accumulated that we didn’t
think people could catch up. And meanwhile, America had declared
peace on Russia and one of the side-effects of that—a tragedy,
really—was that the U.S. Air Force closed its research lab in
Colorado. That’s where all the U.S. funding for ionic liquids
originated. So the funds dried up in America just at a time that
Europe was building up a head of steam on what we’d been doing.
Also in 1993, I moved from a readership in Sussex to a chair in
Belfast, and I got a very handsome start-up grant, so we were able
to increase the effort we could put in. Our group became bigger and
by this time we had about eight industrial sponsors. So everything
came together. It was a very natural time.
Is
there a final message you would like to give to the public about ionic
liquids?
I’ll say something I’ve said before. If you are an
industrialist and you have got a process that’s giving you 100
percent yield that is working beautifully, then you don’t need
ionic liquids. If you have a problem; if the yield is too low; if
the solvent you’re using is going to be banned in two years
because it’s too toxic, then ionic liquids are an extremely
attractive option for changing a known process or initiating a new
one. Chemistry in ionic liquids is totally different than chemistry
in the molecular environment of a normal solvent. The kinetics are
different. The thermodynamics are different. The outcome is
different. Everything is new.
One other thing I’d like to add: one of the reasons we’ve
been so successful is the quality of the people we have had come and
work with us. It started with Tom Welton,
and since then we have had a huge number of wonderful post-docs and
graduate students. Martyn Earle has been a godsend. And because this
area is so broad, we have had people come from almost every
background: inorganic, organic, physical, computational, analytical
chemametrics, medicinal, chemical engineering—and that’s just
the group working in Belfast. We also founded the Queen’s
University Ionic Liquids Laboratories, QUILL, in 1999, co-directed
by the invaluable and irreplaceable Prof. Jim Swindall OBE, and
there we’re working with 16 industries in a consortium. It’s a
wonderful group all working together and making this research
possible in what I believe to be a uniquely innovative, exciting,
and productive team—industry and academia with common goals and a
wealth of broad-based skills to achieve them.
Professor Kenneth R. Seddon
QUILL
School of Chemistry
The Queen's University of Belfast
Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
