n
this Special Topics interview, Gary Taubes talks with
Professor Gero Decher, author of the paper ranked at #9 in our
analysis of Molecular Self-Assembly research over the past
decade. This paper, "Fuzzy nanoassemblies: toward layered
polymeric multicomposites," (Science 277[5330]:
1232-7, 29 August 1997) was cited 402 times at the time of our
analysis, and has since received a total of 477 citations,
according to the ISI
Essential Science Indicators
Web product. Professor Decher's work can be found in the
database in both the Chemistry and Materials Science fields.
Professor Decher holds a full professorship in chemistry at
the Université Louis Pasteur in Strasbourg, France. He is
assistant director of the Institut Charles Sadron (ICS), which
is the CNRS laboratory for research on macromolecules (Centre
National de la Recherche Scientifique, UPR 22).
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First
question: what exactly are fuzzy nanoassemblies and what are layered
polymeric multicomposites?
"Fuzzy" refers to a structure that is not perfectly well
defined, in the sense that a crystal is perfectly well defined. But
it does not mean that it is completely disordered either; what is
meant is that there is positional order between molecules, but not
between atoms. As for multicomposite, this is related to complex
systems. If you look at complexity in nature, it is the evolutionary
consequence of the need for more functionality.
In nature, new properties arise from the close spatial arrangement
of smaller components—an aggregate of enzymes, for instance,
responsible for a series of consecutive transformations. One of the
most interesting properties evolving from the intricate interplay of
thousands of subcellular components on the length scale of about one
micron is life itself. Life is such a complex process requiring so
many components that they cannot be fitted into a compartment much
smaller than a cell.
In materials science most of today’s "workhorses" are
single- or two-component systems. However, scientists are already
working on the design of smart materials that require a much higher
complexity. Our interest is to put as many different materials
together as needed in order to create materials with new properties.
This is similar to the attempt to synthesize molecules possessing
multiple functional groups, which eventually should become
impractical if the number of functions gets too high or the molecule
gets too large. Layer-by-layer self-assembly may be an alternative
way to create multimaterial composites in a simple fashion.
How
does layer-by-layer assembly work?
What it means is that multimaterial assemblies are created by
several consecutive adsorption steps. For doing so, one needs
components that interact with each other, for example
electrostatically. If you have one molecule on the surface, this
will attract a partner molecule from the solution to the surface and
this can be done in a consecutive fashion such that it repeats from
molecule to molecule, first a, then b, then a, then b. And then you
can add molecule c, that is attracted to either a or b, so you can
continue to vary the architecture in an easy way. At first
layer-by-layer deposition started out with electrostatic
interactions, which includes materials such as charged polymers, but
there are other intermolecular interactions that can be used.
Typical materials that are used by various research teams for making
multilayer composites include polyelectrolytes, DNA, proteins or
colloids.
Why
do you think your 1997 Science paper has had such tremendous
impact?
Well, if we go back to layer-by-layer techniques that people have
previously used; these date back to one very elegant technique
developed in 1927 by Irving Langmuir and Kathleen Blodgett. This
procedure is so attractive that it has been used by colleagues all
over the world to fabricate so-called Langmuir-Blodgett (LB) films.
However, the technique has not been successful in the commercial
sector. There have been huge collaborations between scientific
institutions and industry to develop the technology. While the
scientific results have been quite exciting, there was never a
commercial breakthrough. Some of the problems associated with the
practical application of the Langmuir-Blodgett technique have been
solved by us and this has kindled widespread interest among the LB
community.
So
your layer-by-layer assembly approach works better and leads to
products?
Well, the fact that layer-by-layer assembly by adsorption from
solution is a robust technique and works for many different
combinations of materials is most likely the reason why it had the
impact that was shown in your survey. However, before we talk about
applications one needs to discuss what kind of problems can
potentially be addressed for use by commercial companies.
So why are scientists interested at all in making these surface
layers and why should companies be interested? The answer is quite
simple in the case of devices made from simple materials. Such an
object has intrinsic properties such as shape or mechanical
properties. However, every object interacts with its environment
through its surface. So all the interactions with the environment
are dictated by the properties of the surface. If we can control the
surface of an object, we can control the interaction of this object
with its environment. So that means, for instance, that we might put
a thin film on the surface and that might provide corrosion
protection, or anti-static coating. It might be sticky or
non-sticky, hydrophilic or hydrophobic. It might make the surface
biocompatible or anti-bacterial or suitable for sensing. Many
interactions could ultimately be useful and we can do many of them
with this technique.
Reason number two is that we can use it to fabricate surface-based
devices, which means we can put materials onto the surface that
would then function as a device. For example, in optics or
bio-sensing or separation membranes. Today many groups in physics,
chemistry or biology are working on fabricating multicomposite films
by layer-by-layer assembly that may lead to prototypes of devices
and hopefully real applications.
To put the matter in perspective, I should say that there is already
a first commercial product on the market since early 2002.
What
is it precisely that makes your technique so much better?
First, the technique is robust; it helps that it is also cheap and
environmentally friendly. Second, it is just very easy to put new
combinations of molecules and thus new functionality into such
layered systems. So far, for instance, more than 30 proteins have
been put into multilayer films, some just as a tryout, some to
characterize their function, some for sensing purposes. One can
easily put DNA into such a film, and one can also put in inorganic
compounds. One can put in colloids, which are solid objects of
nanoscopic to microscopic dimensions. We've put gold colloids into
these layers, which give the layers properties that would be very
hard to engineer in otherwise.
Where
do you think this research is going in the near future?
In my opinion it will be going in two directions. In the
biosciences, I would say the major objective would be to use the
technique to enhance biocompatibility; to improve surface coatings
for biomedical applications, for example. And in materials science
it is going toward layer-based devices. At the last American
Chemical Society meeting, a company announced a biomedical product
that is equipped with this technology and was to be available on the
consumer market in the beginning of 2002.
Are
you satisfied with the pace of research in your field?
On the one hand, when I look worldwide, there are now more than 40
independent research teams working on topics related to this
technology. The growth rate has been exponential, which is very
rewarding to see. As for our own research, we have been quite
successful in applying for research grants in addition to what we
can do with the resources in our laboratory. We are happy that Ph.D.
students and postdocs are eager to join our team on topics related
to multilayer assemblies. A first commercial product is on the
market, which represents a technology being implemented much quicker
than average. The pace is already amazing, yet there are still many
more ideas than we can realize.
What
was the biggest obstacle in pursuing your research?
Well the biggest obstacle at first was to find the first system that
worked. Looking back we had chosen a very difficult system to begin
with. Luckily this changed quickly later on. After that it was not
so easy to get accepted that things were like they were and
especially that they were as easy as they were. The biggest obstacle
remaining today is that layer-by-layer assembly is not a technology
that is focused on a single goal. Rather it is a very fundamental
technology, something very general that can be applied to many
domains and many different kinds of problems. There is no clear
answer for the question of what it should best be used for, thus one
cannot easily go for the single most promising target with respect
to research. There are huge barriers of belief before scientists and
company researchers accept more general solutions, which actually is
a good thing. However, pushing into many fields at the same time was
something that was only possible by the community of independent
research teams working now on the topic.
Is
there anything else you'd like to say about your work?
In advertising for the layer-by-layer assembly technique, I have
always used phrases like "Multifunctional coatings for surfaces
of almost any kind and any shape." This seems to become more
and more of a reality. The biggest reward was to see that the
technique works well in other people's hands and that now they are
actually using it and taking the technology further along. It has
been shown by colleagues that multilayer assemblies can even be put
on colloids or onto cells like erythrocytes, something we had never
anticipated ourselves. I am quite curious what else will emerge.
Professor Gero Decher
Université Louis Pasteur
Strasbourg, France
Professor Gero Decher
Université Louis Pasteur
Strasbourg, France
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ESI Special Topics,
September 2002
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/msa/interviews/GeroDecher.html
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