An INTERVIEW with Prof. Dr. Bram Brouwer
ESI Special Topics, May
2004
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ccording
to our Special Topics analysis on PCB research over the past
decade, Prof. Dr. Bram Brouwer ranks at #2, with 71 papers
cited a total of 2,226 times on the topic. His most-cited
paper, "Toxic equivalency factors for dioxin-like PCBs—report
on a WHO-ECEH and IPCS consultation, December 1993," (Chemosphere
28[6]: 1049-67, March 1994), ranks at #7 on our list. In the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web product, Prof. Dr. Brouwer’s record includes 51 papers
cited a total of 1,540 times to date in the field of
Pharmacology & Toxicology as well as 24 papers cited a
total of 841 times to date in the field of
Environment/Ecology. Prof. Dr. Brouwer hails from the
Institute for Environmental Studies in Amsterdam.
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Your
most-cited paper is the 1994 WHO report, but it’s followed closely
by a paper, that same year, in Pediatrics Research—"Effects
of dioxins and polychlorinated-biphenyls on thyroid-hormone status of
pregnant women and their infants," (36:468-73, 1994). Are the two
papers related, and why do you think they are so highly cited?
I think the first paper was highly cited because it provides
mechanistic information that is interesting to basic scientists—people
involved in understanding modes of action, etc.—but in addition it
had a bearing on how we look at these chemicals in terms of their
risk. They can interfere in hormonal systems, and we know hormones
work at very low concentration. That's why these committees, like
the World Health Organization, are interested to learn about what
this means: do we have to reassess the critical limit values under
which these compounds may not be active or over which they are
active? This was an important paper for advancing these types of
regulations. This paper was one of the first on this issue.
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“…the issue of PCBs becomes important not just for the environmental effects, but for human development.” |
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The Pediatrics Research paper discusses the protein
transthyretin, in particular. This dates back in a way to research we
did in the 1980s, studying the metabolites of PCBs. We learned that
they bind to transthyretin, which is a specific protein in the serum
that is involved in the transport of two important molecules. One is
vitamin A, or retinol, and the other is thyroid hormone. This led us
to the understanding of how these PCBs or their metabolites could
interfere with the natural control systems in the body, such as
hormones. As it turns out, transthyretin is also important in the
delivery of hormones to the fetus—that is what this paper discusses.
The mother has a thyroid gland but the fetus doesn’t until late in
development. For the first two quarters, the fetus completely depends
on delivery of the hormones from the mother for the developmental
processes. So you can understand, the questions are, how is the
hormone delivered to the fetus, and if you have a compound that can
interfere in this process, do you also interfere in the delivery of
the hormone to the fetus? In that respect the issue becomes, can these
compounds cross the placenta (which we now know they can) and what
effect does it have on the fetus?
What
did you find?
The metabolite of the PCBs bind to this protein, so it does not
deliver the natural hormone to the fetus but instead delivers this
mimicking compound. So now the fetus lacks the hormone it needs, and
instead it gets a compound that is not intended to be there. So what
does that do for fetal development? And does this exposure early on
in life have effects later in life? Those were the debates on this
issue. The placenta, which should be a barrier for these compounds,
does not behave as a barrier for them. So the issue of PCBs becomes
important not just for the environmental effects, but for human
development.
What
have you learned since that 1994 Pediatrics Research paper?
We’ve done more work on comparative effects. It started with
PCBs. We found that although PCBs are persistent compounds, they
produce these metabolites which by themselves are also persistent
and interfere in these endocrine pathways. So we did lot of in
vivo early-exposure, long-term-effect studies to find out
whether there are these long-term effects from early exposure to the
PCBs. We observed effects in both brain development and reproductive
cycling performance. Now we have proof that this compound doesn't
just cross the placenta, but evidence that this particular
metabolite has long-term effects. We don’t have proof of the
latter, but the evidence pointing in that direction is pretty
compelling.
I’m
assuming that the in vivo studies are in animals and that’s
where the effects are visible. Is that correct?
The experimental studies, of course, are in lab animals. We can
follow the transfer of the compound and really zoom in on these
various stages of development. We’re not just looking at the
biochemistry of it, but also the behavioral functions. But we also
have multidisciplinary studies, funded by the European Union,
involving clinical and epidemiological studies. We are doing
behavioral studies in humans, in children. We have all kinds of
tests—on visual recognition, memory, etc.—and we can correlate
how children score on these tests to the PCB concentration in the
mother’s breast milk and in the blood of both mother and child. We
have also found some correlations between higher concentrations of
PCBs in the mother and poorer performance in the child on some of
these tests. Now that we have both experimental animal studies and
human epidemiologic studies, we are building quite a strong case.
What
do you consider the biggest challenge in this research?
Well it’s easy to do the early-exposure studies—the
experimental animal work. We can label the compounds, follow them
through the system—that’s easy. But then we have to try to
understand which aspects of development may be affected, which
requires that we make guesses. These guesses, of course, have a
bearing on the type of tests we can do and when we do these tests.
We had to estimate or predict effects, based on what we knew about
which neurotransmitters might be affected, which parts of the brain
may be more affected; which behaviors might be affected, the timing,
the onset of the affects, and the natural variation. How well can we
pick it up at low concentrations? All that’s the real challenge.
The other challenge, of course, is how to do these studies in
humans. Then there are the technical challenges: how do we
synthesize these metabolites? What are the standards? How do we
measure concentrations quantitatively and reliably, etc.?
Where
do you see your research going from here? What are your goals for the
next five years?
One thing we’ve been doing is making methods—tools, if you
wish—to measure the effects. We have bioassays that are easy tools
to predict the effects of certain compounds. We will be using those
more and more. That’s one aspect. The second is that we’ve been
doing all these studies related to PCBs, but PCBs have been banned.
They’re not really being used any more, at least not in the
Western world, although they are still in the environment. So what
do we do with this research for the future? Now we’re comparing
the structures of these old chemicals with the ones society has been
using as replacements. And we are now finding that compounds like
the chlorinated and brominated flame retardants, for instance, which
are used widely in the U.S. and the U.K. and throughout the world,
resemble the structure of the PCBs. So we’re working on
comparisons between old and new structures, old and new uses, and we’re
finding that we are repeating the same problems with these new
chemicals we encountered with the old chemicals. In the next five
years, I expect to see more and more of this information emerging—which
chemicals are and are not in same ballpark, so to speak, as these
PCBs. The other thing we really want to do is further study the
links between these compounds and the late-onset effects that are
observed in lab animals, and also now in humans. The association is
still weak. But I believe this will be strengthened in the next five
years. We have to figure out how to measure the effects of these
compounds in people at older ages, how to measure whether
intellectual capacities are affected. Can we visualize this somehow?
What about reproductive problems? There may be other effects we
haven’t looked at. These will be areas where this work will
continue?
What
is the message that you’d like to pass on to the general public
about this work?
To the public, we always want to make clear that we are not
talking about acute lethal effects here. We are looking at the
possibility that compounds at fairly low doses, as they occur in the
environment, might cause subtle effects. Individuals might never
even notice that they were affected by these compounds. It may be
only on a population basis that slight changes in capacities may be
seen and, in that sense, this research is most important for the
regulators who have to take responsibility, who have to make
decisions about allowing new chemicals on the market. It’s these
regulators who have to know the profile of activities of these
compounds based on what we know now and what we’re learning, and
they have to avoid, if at all possible, introducing new chemicals
that repeat the same mistakes. In medicine, any new drug has to be
tested extensively to prove that it’s both safe and effective. And
even in medicine we still see mistakes or unforeseen actions. For
industrial chemicals used for polymers, paints, and other things,
this whole testing strategy is much less stringent. But the exposure
and the health effects can still be there. And, in fact, in both the
U.S. and Europe, a strategy is being developed to nail down this
early stage of development and testing of these chemicals and to
establish what their risk profiles may be so that we can avoid them.
Prof. Dr. A. Brouwer
Department of Chemistry and Biology
Institute of Environmental Studies
Amsterdam, Netherlands
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ESI Special Topics,
May 2004
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/pcb/interviews/BramBrouwer.html
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