An INTERVIEW with
Dr. Stephen Safe
ESI Special Topics,
December 2003
Citing URL - http://www.esi-topics.com/pcb/interviews/StephenSafe.html
n our
Special Topics analysis of PCB research over the past decade,
the scientist whose work resulted in the highest number of
citations is Stephen H. Safe, with 65 papers cited a total of
3,619 times. Five of Dr. Safe’s papers made the list of the
top 20 papers in our analysis as well. In the ISI
Essential
Science Indicators
Web
product, Dr. Safe’s work can be found in the fields of
Pharmacology & Toxicology and Environment/Ecology. Dr.
Safe is a Distinguished Professor at Texas A & M
University, where he is the Director of the Center for
Environmental and Rural Health. He is also the Director of the
Center for Environmental and Genetic Medicine at the Institute
for Biosciences and Technology in Houston, Texas. Below, Dr.
Safe talks with correspondent Gary Taubes about his PCB
research.
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What
prompted the research that led to your highly-cited 1998 Endocrinology
article on the interaction of estrogenic chemicals and
phytoestrogens with estrogen receptor beta?
That was a collaborative study with George Kuiper and Jan-Ake
Gustafsson, mainly looking at a number of different estrogenic
compounds and their binding to estrogen receptor alpha and the new
estrogen receptor beta that George discovered while working in
Gustafsson’s lab. We had previously shown that many of these
compounds activated estrogen receptor alpha.
What
is the connection with PCBs?
The PCBs in this study are really hydroxy PCBs, which are
metabolites of PCB pollutants. Ake Bergman’s group in Sweden had
discovered that hydroxy PCBs, to our surprise, were not excreted
rapidly but retained in the blood and you could actually measure
them in serum. We immediately began to synthesize the specific
hydroxy PCBs identified in human serum and look at them for their
so-called endocrine disrupter activity. What we showed in an earlier
paper was that these compounds were either weak estrogens on
estrogen receptor alpha or in some cases they were anti-estrogens.
The Kuiper paper subsequently compared their activity on estrogen
receptor alpha and beta. In a sense, it’s all part of the same
story.
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Why
do you think it has had such enormous impact?
The Kuiper paper is an extensive comparison using binding and
gene activation assays with the two estrogen receptors. Estrogen
receptor beta was only discovered in 1996. We’d done some work in
1997 on estrogen receptor alpha and they just combined everything
and directly compared the two receptors and showed that for most
compounds, they were fairly similar. There’s been lots of work
done since, and the early paper is cited because it was the first
extensive comparison with synthetic estrogens, steroidal compounds,
and hydroxy PCBs.
In
1994, when you wrote your high-impact review in Critical Reviews of
Toxicology, what was the state of the field?
PCBs had been banned back in the 1970s, but there was as much
scientific and regulatory activity in 1994 as when they were banned.
There’s still as much activity, in fact even more. Although PCB
levels are decreasing in biological tissues, albeit slowly, there’s
still a huge concern about the potential adverse effects of PCBs.
What that review did was summarize PCB science: What do they do?
What are the possible adverse effects? What do we know for sure?
What are the uncertainties? In terms of the structure, activity, and
comparing PCBs with dioxins, I developed the so-called dioxin
equivalents—or toxic equivalency factors—of PCBs compared with
TCDD, which is the most toxic dioxin. I hypothesized that this might
be a useful way of doing risk assessment of PCBs, and this was
relatively novel. We had done a lot of quantitative structure
activity studies of various PCBs, and so I used our data and results
from other laboratories. As a result, I could estimate that a
compound has a toxic equivalency factor of .1, which means it is
one-tenth as active as TCDD. I assigned these factors to all the
dioxin-like PCBs, and subsequently others have refined this approach
and used it for risk assessment of PCBs. That’s why a lot of
people cite that paper, but in addition I pointed out that these
dioxin-like PCBs are not necessarily the only concerns. There have
been some studies suggesting that non-dioxin-like PCBs might also be
neurotoxic. That’s an area that is still being extensively
investigated.
What
about the neurotoxic effects on humans?
Whether the effects in humans are real or not is the key
question. I have a problem with the assumption that they are,
because the results tend to be inconsistent between studies. What is
consistent is that many papers seem to come up with an effect,
usually as a result of in utero or in early postnatal
exposures to PCBs. There’s been some confusion as to what problems
these compounds actually do cause. That’s an area being
investigated by several groups. To be frank, when it comes to this
question of whether PCBs cause neurodevelopmental deficits in
children, that still requires further study. I’m not convinced
either way, but it’s an important problem to resolve. One problem
is that the measured responses differ in many studies. If scientists
can’t get a correlation with total PCBs, they’ll look at
dioxin-like PCBs and so on. These inconsistencies must be resolved.
How
rapidly has the state of our knowledge about your field evolved in the
past decade, and what were the key discoveries that furthered the
advancement of the field?
A decade ago we knew these compounds could cause a tremendous
number of different responses. They induce all kinds of biochemical
responses in animal models and in cell culture models. How that
relates to human effects at high doses and low doses is unclear.
Even the good neurotoxicology data that suggests that PCBs could
have a neurodevelopmental effect require administration of high
doses in animal models. Even though humans are obviously exposed to
more PCBs than they want or need, the concentrations are still
relatively low. What these low doses do, if anything, has still not
been worked out. My opinion is that they aren’t very significant,
but others disagree, and that’s why the science continues. The
important thing is that we recognize that this kind of chemical,
which is highly fat soluble and highly resistant to degradation,
should not be used in applications where it can get into the
environment. In effect, we’re still living with the legacy of what
happened before the 1970s when PCBs were banned. The current leakage
of these compounds into the environment is minimal, but because
these compounds are so long-lived, it’s going to be a long time
before they’re eliminated. So in a sense, the right regulatory
decisions were made in the 1970s and all we can do is minimize our
current exposures.
How
has your research changed over the years?
I started out in the 1970s, doing environmental studies on PCBs
and dioxins.. I worked my way through the chemistry, the toxicology,
and, in a sense, the molecular biology and biochemistry of PCBs. We
developed structure-activity relationships and then my PCB work was
minimal. We started back on PCB research with hydroxy PCBs.
Currently, my research is focused on the molecular biology of
hormone action and in cancer. Most of our work now is totally
cancer- or molecular biology-related.
How
did you get into studying cancer?
Well, that’s an interesting story. We got into breast cancer
research mainly because these dioxin-like compounds and PCBs that
are dioxin-like exhibit anti-estrogenic activity. That’s not
necessarily a good response, unless you have breast cancer. You can
actually administer dioxin or one of these dioxin-like PCBs to an
animal with a mammary tumor and tumor growth is inhibited. We wanted
to understand the mechanism of how dioxin-like compounds block
estrogen action and estrogen-induced mammary tumors. We then tried
to develop analogues that are relatively non-toxic but still
anti-estrogenic. Subsequently we developed different analogues,
which work through different pathways. They’re generally active
not only in breast cancer, but also in colon, prostate, pancreatic,
and a number of other cancers. These compounds are potent inhibitors
of tumor growth, and this all resulted from our studies with dioxin
and dioxin-like PCBs that have this unusual property of being
anti-estrogenic.
We currently do a lot of cancer-related research on many tumors,
and find that dioxin-like compounds that work through the aryl
hydrocarbon receptor—the dioxin receptor—exhibit anticancer
activity. This receptor was initially discovered as a protein that
bound all these toxic compounds. Now we know that this receptor
binds all sorts of phytochemicals and other naturally-occurring
chemicals that are chemo-protective. It looks like potential drugs
that can interact with this receptor may be useful for tumors other
than breast cancer. We’ve done some work on prostate and
pancreatic cancer that looks promising. So this receptor, which was
initially a target for environmental contaminants, is now a
potential receptor for drug development.
What
would you rate as your most difficult or trying professional moment?
Getting grants and papers turned down is always the most trying,
particularly when you think something is good and the reviewers don’t.
I think that’s the most trying time for all scientists.
What
would you convey to general public about your PCB work?
Our PCB research illustrates the way that science sometimes
works. We investigated the chemistry, toxicology, and molecular
biology of PCBs and we were interested in them because they were an
important group of environmental contaminants. We now find that
these studies have led us to the development of new potential
anti-cancer compounds. Hopefully this research will make some
positive contribution to science and to human health.
Stephen H. Safe, D. Phil.
Texas A & M University
College Station, TX, USA
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