You
study both Alzheimer’s disease and schizophrenia. What’s the
thread that led you to do research on both maladies?
For me, the theme that connects these diseases is that they’re
both diseases of cognitive dysfunction. The nature of the
dysfunction differs, the onset of the dysfunction differs, but the
consequence of the cognitive dysfunction is devastating in both
conditions. We now know, and clinicians have been aware for some
time, that the cognitive dysfunction in schizophrenia is the
greatest single hindrance to
rehabilitation. It’s not the severity
of the hallucinations or delusions, not even the degree of
asociality. What keeps people from relearning social and vocational
skills and having successful rehabilitation is the cognitive
dysfunction in schizophrenia.
Have
you found barriers to moving between the two different scientific
worlds?
Few people outside our group are really committed to both
diseases. In the U.S., and less so in Europe, the notion that
psychiatrists should have a primary interest in what is often
regarded as a neurological disease—that is, Alzheimer’s—has
been somewhat of a difficulty. But our interest has always extended
beyond what traditional psychiatrists do in Alzheimer’s, which is
treat just behavioral problems. That interest stems from our
original work at really a very basic level, on the neurotransmitter
basis of learning and memory. That work brought our attention to
acetylcholine and that in turn brought attention to Alzheimer’s
when acetylcholine was shown to be an important defect, which in
turn led to our involvement in the treatment of Alzheimer’s by
reversing the deficit in cholinergic neurotransmission. Those drugs
are called acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.
You
did one of the primary studies on a drug called tacrine. Is tacrine an
acetylcholinesterase inhibitor?
That was the first one. There have been a number more now that
are better tolerated. But of course the scientific basis of this
started in the late 70s and early 80s and has long been superceded
by much more sophisticated science. No one today viewing drug
discovery or development in Alzheimer’s disease would contemplate
therapies that are solely cholinergic any longer.
Your
most-cited paper is a review article, "Dopamine in schizophrenia
- a review and reconceptualization," published in the American
Journal of Psychiatry, vol. 148, in 1991. That doesn’t tell us
much about your impact. So where do you think your research has had
the greatest impact in schizophrenia and Alzheimer’s?
That’s a very hard question. Sometimes you would like to think
that what you’re doing now is having the biggest impact. I think
clearly the development of the whole group of cholinesterase
inhibitors—including the mechanism to assess the effect on the
patients and some of the methodology used in the studies, and even
the choice of agents that have been studied—is an important
legacy of the Alzheimer’s work. And most recently, that work had
an important codicil to it: a paper we published last year in JAMA
(K.L. Davis, R.C. Mohs, D. Marin, D.P. Purohit, D.P. Perl, M. Lantz,
G. Austin, and V. Haroutunian, "Cholinergic markers in elderly
patient with early signs of Alzheimer disease," JAMA,
281[15]: 1401-6, 21 April 1999) that has been very widely cited,
pointing out that the cholinergic defect which we all thought was so
pervasive was actually not a very early abnormality in the disease.
The patients with the earliest symptoms of the disease, who went to
autopsy having died of something else, didn’t show a very profound
acetylcholinergic defect. It only becomes obvious in the middle
stages of the disease. We regard that as interesting because it fits
so well with observations made in large study after large study that
the patients who have the most dramatic responses to cholinesterase
inhibitors are patients in the middle stages of the disease.
I think the most important thing we’ve done in schizophrenia
has been done since that review article. It addresses the question
of whether the cognitive component of schizophrenia, particularly in
very bad outcome cases, is a progressive disease or not. We have
been prospectively studying a large series of patients who are quite
elderly and have substantial cognitive impairment. What we found and
recently published is that after age 65 there is a precipitous drop
in cognitive capacities of these patients and that the dementia they
have is not a consequence of any known central nervous system
co-morbidity. We have done 100 consecutive autopsies and found no
reason to explain this profound dementia. The best reference for
that work is a 1 January 1999 article in Biological Psychiatry,
(P.D. Harvey, J.M. Silverman, R.C. Mohs, M. Parella, L. White, P.
Powchik, M. Davidson, and K.L. Davis, "Cognitive decline in
late-life schizophrenia: a longitudinal study of geriatric
chronically hospitalized patients," Biological Psychiatry, 45[1]:
32-40, 1 January 1999). The other paper that’s very important is
on these 100 consecutive autopsies we did. That’s in Archives
of General Psychiatry, 1998, volume 55 (D.P. Purohit, D.P. Perl,
V. Haroutunian, P. Powchik, M. Davidson, and K.L. Davis,
"Alzheimer disease and related neurodegenerative diseases in
elderly patients with schizophrenia: a postmortem neuropathologic
study of 100 cases," Archives of General Psychiatry, 55[3]:
205-11, March 1998).
What
are the implications? What do you do with that knowledge?
We are trying to find what in fact is the neurochemical basis of
that dementia or at least what are the best guesses as to what they
might be. We found that when we compared demented with non-demented
schizophrenics who are over 65, one of the biggest differences is in
noradrenergic activity. We are trying to treat that deficit with a
drug that increases norepinephrine. That’s one implication. The
second implication relates to the cognitive decline in schizophrenia
before age 65. That is much, much less severe and much more subtle,
but cognitive problems are still quite important and still a
rate-limiting step in rehabilitation. The question is whether there’s
a similarity between what is exacerbating past age 65 and what was
more subtly occurring in younger schizophrenics. Maybe by studying
older people with such a profound deficit, we will be able to find
cellular and molecular characteristics of the defect more readily,
do something about it, and then extend that work to younger people.
In other words we can study the problem in its most exacerbated
form. That also raises the following very important issue: if this
is not a static lesion, then there may very well be a degenerative
component. The question becomes, are cells dying in schizophrenia?
Is there a neurotoxicity associated with the disease? We really need
to know that.
Do
you think you’ll eventually get a handle on the disease?
I’m relatively optimistic. I think there is a powerful genetic
component to this disease. Even though it’s quite likely to be a
consequence of multiple genes, I would be surprised if we don’t
begin to tease apart what some of those genes are in the next
decade. Even if we only have four or five genes out of maybe 15
involved, if we can trace those four or five genes to their cellular
consequences, it may help us really unravel at least where we should
be looking. Even if it’s only in a few families. What we’ve
learned about Alzheimer’s from a few families with unusual
mutations—families that constitute less than one percent of all
Alzheimer’s families—has taught us so much about the disease that
we can now make very rational suggestions about therapeutics. I
think we may be able to do the same thing if we can find a few genes
and few families in schizophrenia.
What
do you think are the key things you’ve learned in Alzheimer’s that
will help lead to improved therapies?
The most important lead appears to be in ways to alter the
processing of the amyloid precursor protein. It’s becoming
increasingly clear that one of the initiating steps in Alzheimer’s
pathology is the deposition of these amyloid plaques, and it is
becoming possible to conceptualize ways that we can either alter the
way the amyloid precursor protein is processed to become plaques, or
even to clear the amyloid more effectively once it’s there. A very
critical line of inquiry leading to therapeutics is all about
amyloid, altering it, and its consequences.
Is
that the only critical line of inquiry leading to therapeutics?
At the moment there is a distant number two, which would actually
be numbers two, three, four, and five. Those are other ways to keep
nerve cells from dying. That may be through diminution of free
radical production, or through altering the development of
neurofibrillary tangles by changing the hyperphosphorylation of the
tau protein that forms those tangles. Or it may be through
diminishing excitotoxicity, and that may mean altering glutamate
transmission in particular brain regions. And lastly it may be
through altering inflammatory processes. Because there appear to be
a number of inflammatory mechanisms that seem to be substantially
enhanced and that could be neurotoxic in Alzheimer’s disease. It
may be, however, and we just don’t know if some of these
inflammatory mechanisms may be preserving cells. Those are all areas
people are very interested in.
Are
there promising approaches to therapeutics for schizophrenia?
There are promising approaches to finding out what’s going on
in the disease. I think two are really very important. One is to use
more powerful imaging techniques to image both functionally and
through spectroscopy the abnormalities that exist in the brain of
schizophrenic patients. The second is to tease apart the phenotype
of schizophrenia into things we call endophenotypes, or small
symptoms of the disease that many people have, and try to find
genetic correlates of these endophenotypes and extend those
correlates into family members who don’t have the full spectrum of
schizophrenia but still share that endophenotype. There may be
people, for example, who process stimuli abnormally. There may be
people who can’t attend very well to tasks. Or there may be people
who are a little bit asocial in their interactions, or a little bit
illogical. These are all small parts of the schizophrenia phenotype.
If we just focus on those small endophenotypes, seek them in close
relatives and family members and attempt to find genetic correlates,
we may be able to tease apart the whole syndrome. Those are two
approaches I think will be ultimately most useful.
Do
you think your training as a psychiatrist has informed your approach
to research?
I think to be a psychiatrist and to take care of diseases that
are as disabling as schizophrenia and Alzheimer’s is to give you a
slightly different perspective on medicine and therapeutics. That
perspective is that it’s very hard to look patients in the eye
with the current armamentarium of drugs and to be satisfied with
what we have to offer. A consequence of dealing with patients who
are so unfortunate all the time, I think, is that you develop a
moral imperative to do research. If you didn’t think there was
hope at the end of the tunnel, that there was going to be something
better to offer, you’d just close up shop because at the moment
nobody is getting cured.
Considering
the grim prognosis for your patients still to this day, have you
managed to gain a sense of satisfaction about what you’ve
accomplished?
As I look back on what I’ve done I feel good about the
following accomplishments. When I began to work in Alzheimer’s
disease, treatments for the condition were completely irrational and
the drugs had no efficacy. Now, in part because of work I and many
other people did, there are a number of compounds out there that
have a strong scientific rationale and are actually efficacious, and
it’s likely in the next decade and certainly the next two decades
we will have much better drugs. I can see that as very rewarding,
and even though my own role may not be all that large I can see that
I have played some part in it. In schizophrenia, I’m very much
enthused by the sea change that has happened in the way the disease
has been conceptualized over only the last five years. It has gone
from a perception when I started in this business that we would have
to deal with hallucinations and delusions, to the view that there
are hallucinations and delusions and also negative symptoms, to the
view that we are missing the whole story and it’s really about
cognition. Unless we start to develop treatments for that cognitive
deficit, we’re not really going to do a whole lot to normalize
these unfortunate people. To the degree that I have been part of
adding to the weight of evidence that cognition is very important in
schizophrenia, I’m pleased with what I’ve accomplished.
Dr. Kenneth L. Davis
Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Department of Psychiatry
New York, NY, USA