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An INTERVIEW with Dr. Chris Landsea
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ccording
to our Special Topics analysis of tropical storms research
over the past decade, the work of Dr. Chris Landsea ranks at
#2, with 9 papers cited a total of 312 times. His most-cited
paper is "The recent increase in Atlantic hurricane
activity: causes and implications," (Goldenberg SB, et
al., Science 293[5529]: 474-9, 20 July 2001). At the
time of our analysis, this paper had been cited 69 times; at
present, it has 88 cites in
Essential
Science Indicators .
Dr. Landsea is a hurricane specialist with the National
Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration. In the interview
below, he talks with correspondent Gary Taubes about his
hurricane research.
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Four
of your papers have earned considerable and almost identical citation
numbers, but the number one paper is your 2001 Science article
on recent Atlantic hurricane activity. Tell us what prompted you to
write that paper and what it said.
I think that paper is really important because during the 1970s,
1980s, and early 1990s, we were in a very quiet hurricane period.
This was the same time that populations were growing very quickly
along the U.S. coastal areas, as well as in Central America and the
Caribbean. In 1995, we switched over to a very busy hurricane
season. 1996 was busy; then it slipped back to quiet in ‘97, and
then there were a couple more busy years. Partly it was that the
number of storms increased, but major hurricanes—categories 3, 4,
and 5—essentially doubled.
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“Actually the amount of hurricane damage in the 1990s was about average, compared with the rest of the 20th century record, if you normalize for societal changes.”
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In that 2001 paper, we were trying to take a quantitative look at
how hurricanes changed, and relating that to patterns of ocean
temperature variations, as well as changes in wind shear in the
atmosphere, how winds change with height. Our main conclusion was
that a), we had, in fact, gone back to a busy period in the
Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, and the Caribbean, and b), it was caused
by a natural fluctuation in the Atlantic Ocean and the atmosphere,
called the Atlantic multi-decadal oscillation. And we could say this
because we had historical records for hurricanes and ocean
temperatures, as well as other studies of proxy records of
temperatures, suggesting that these busy and quiet periods tend to
last 25 to 40 years each. Thus we concluded that it was likely to
stay busy for another decade or two to come.
How
far back did the records go?
In that paper, we discussed hurricane records for the entire
Atlantic going back to 1944. That’s the year that aircraft
reconnaissance began flying into storms. It’s a fairly complete
record, although it likely few missed a few in the 1940s, 1950s, and
early 1960s, before satellites came along. We also went back to the
U.S. record for land-falling storms, which dates back to 1900. There
we think we have a fairly complete record of how many hit us and
roughly how strong they were.
If
you’re talking about 25- to 40-year cycles, it doesn’t sound like
that’s a long enough historical record to establish that this is a
real phenomenon.
Ocean records went back a bit further, to 1870, so we had 130
years of ocean records to work with. And we had referenced several
other papers by researchers who had done paleo-oceanographic work.
These looked at core sample in the ocean going back several hundred
years, and so they analyzed these cycles for quite a long time. Even
though we didn’t have hurricane records before 1900, we did have
indirect evidence of cycles through these ocean temperature changes
going back several hundred years.
Do
you think that the ever-increasing interest over global warming has
been one reason why your papers have been so highly cited?
In the last year, there have been a couple of very highly cited
papers that have linked changes in warming occurrences in the last
couple of decades with hurricane activity both in the Atlantic and
worldwide. These analyses suggest that there’s been a big jump in
hurricane activity, due to manmade causes. So that’s certainly the
big question.
In the Atlantic, for instance, where we have these very
pronounced multi-decadal swings back and forth, how do you determine
what may be part of a long-term trend, which may very well be due to
global warming, and what’s due to these natural swings going on?
That can be difficult to do, when you only have a hurricane record
of 50 to 80 years total and changes that may be manmade on a scale
of 100 years. What might look like a trend in the short record may
indeed be part of a longer-term natural cycle. It’s a difficult
determination to try to figure out what’s manmade and what’s
natural.
Your
1998 paper in Weather and Forecasting seems to speak directly
to this question (Pielke RA and Landsea CW, "Normalized hurricane
damages in the United States: 1925-95," 13: 621-31, 1998). Is
that what prompted you to do that research, and what did you conclude?
That was work Roger Pielke, Jr., and I did. We looked at the
damage that hurricanes directly caused in the U.S. going back about
70 years and tried to determine what’s going on here. In 1992, we
had hurricane Andrew, which did $26 billion in damage. That was
almost triple the previous record, which was held by Hurricane Hugo
in 1989 with $8 billion. That’s a big jump. The speculation is
that this jump in damages was perhaps manmade, again due to global
warming changes.
What Roger and I tried to do is take a close look at the damage
record itself. Maybe there were non-climate-related factors in that
damage record. We tried to normalize the database, by asking the
question, if hurricanes of the past hit today, roughly how much
damage would they do? We took the original damage estimates, which
are maintained by NOAA, and we said let’s first take into account
inflation. The dollar today is worth less than it was previously. A
second factor is per capita wealth. In general, people are wealthier
in U.S. society than they had been in the past. So we got the
Department of Commerce wealth index and, in general, we found that
we all have twice as much as stuff as our parents did and four times
as much as our grandparents. When a hurricane hits, both inflation
and wealth cause more damage to show up in the record.
But the biggest factor, causing the huge increases in damages is
the increase in population. The coastal counties, especially from
Maine to Florida, have been rapidly increasing in the numbers of
folks living there. Some areas have experienced a doubling in
population every 20 to 30 years.
So
when you corrected for all these societal factors, what did you end up
with?
After you take into account those three factors, you find that
the 1990s were not an outlier. Actually the amount of hurricane
damage in the 1990s was about average, compared with the rest of the
20th century record, if you normalize for societal
changes. The 1970s and 1980s were actually the quietest era for
damage. The big conclusions in that paper were that the 1920s,
1940s, and 1960s had more damage than the 1990s. And so once you’ve
normalized that record, it starts to tell us something about
climate. The implication you can pull out from that is that, a),
there is no long-term uptrend in damages, after you adjust for
societal changes; and b), once again, these very pronounced
decade-to-decade swings show up in damages, too. It starts to give
us a little bit of a clue about what the global warming impact on
hurricanes may be. From that record, it suggests that there is no
trend that can be linked to ocean temperature trends and global
warming.
Do
you feel that your research is combating this seemingly ubiquitous
tendency to assume that anything that associates with global warming
must be caused by it?
I’m not sure "combating" is the right word. For what
we’re doing, "disentangling" is a better word to use.
Society changes every year. Hurricanes that would have hit 50 years
ago on any stretch of the U.S. coast would have a lot more impact
today. It’s very difficult to pull out the real climate signals
from this kind of impact data. I think Roger and I were trying to
disentangle the reality from the historical records and I think we
were able to do that successfully.
How
has the picture changed since you published your 1998 paper?
Two very prominent reports have been published recently: one by
Kerry Emanuel in Nature ("Increasing destructiveness of
tropical cyclones over the past 30 years," Nature 436
[7051]: 686-688, 4 August 2005), and the second by Peter
Webster in Science (Webster PJ, et al., "Changes
in tropical cyclone number, duration, and intensity in a warming
environment," Science 309 [5742]: 1844-1846, 16
September 2005). The Emanuel paper showed a doubling of activity for
west Pacific tycoons and Atlantic hurricanes when you look at an
index that takes into account how many storms, how strong they got,
and how long they lasted. He linked this big jump in activity to an
ocean temperature rise that may be due to global warming. Webster’s
paper looked globally since 1970, and it likewise concluded that
there was a doubling of category 4 and 5 hurricanes around the world
between the 1970s and the last 15 years.
Do
you now agree with their conclusions?
I published a peer-reviewed comment on Emanuel’s paper (Landsea
CW, et al., "Can we detect trends in extreme tropical
cyclones?" Science
313 [5786]: 452-454, 28 July 2006). One of the issues he had to deal
with is how to treat the hurricane database, because both for
typhoons and Atlantic hurricanes he employed a bias correction. He
was trying to fix the winds data that are pretty poor from the
1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. And what he did is fairly controversial. If
you just use the official database currently, there’s no big jump
in hurricane or tycoon activity in the last 50 years. In the
Atlantic, we’ve certainly seen a very strong swing to busier
conditions in 1995, but the question was whether what we’ve seen
in the last decade is unprecedented. Has it doubled what was going
on previously? Is it distinguishable from the last busy period, from
the late 1920s to late 1960s?
So
you’re still skeptical?
Well, the Atlantic hurricane database is the best one,
quality-wise, around the world. But even that has difficulties when
you’re going back to the 1940s like Emanuel’s study did. Back in
the 1940s, they had aircraft reconnaissance, but they only did
storms near land. And they didn’t fly into the eyes of the storms
once they got strong. Then the satellite data began in the 1960s,
and everything changes.
That is the main issue in Webster’s paper. That’s looking
globally, and they see this big jump in category 4s and 5s around
the world. But what’s utilized is satellite pictures to make
estimates of the winds. But the satellites have changed dramatically
since the 1960s and 1970s, and so have the techniques to interpret
satellite pictures. The concern globally is that there may not be a
suitably reliable database to say what’s going on with these
category 4s and 5s.
Moreover, a paper just appeared in Geophysical Research
Letters, by Phil Klotzbach ("Trends in global tropical
cyclone activity over the past twenty years (1986-2005)," Geophys.
Res. Lett. 33[10]: Art. No. L10805, 20 May 2006) where he just
looked at the last 15 to 20 years, when the global databases should
be more reliable, and what he found was that the Atlantic, yes
indeed, had a big jump up. But the Northeast Pacific had a decrease
by about the same amount. And the rest of the world had no change in
the hurricane activity. Yet ocean temperatures have gone up by about
.2 degrees centigrade in the last 20 years. So these big global
increases may just be an artifact of unreliable data; that we’ve
done a better job recently in identifying the category 4s and 5s out
there. That was very difficult to do in the 1970s.
To me, some of the researchers utilizing these databases are a
bit naïve about the quality of this data and how it’s been
constructed. It wasn’t put together by researchers, but by
forecasters a week or two after the storm. There’s no quality
control, or taking into account how databases changed over time
because of increased understanding and new tools. Emanuel tried to
do that, but the way he has gone after it is problematic.
What
would you like to convey to the general public about your work?
Well, maybe one message is that this issue about climate change
and hurricanes is a real important one, and that there’s been a
lot of controversy in our field, in published reports and in
conferences about what’s going on. It’s certainly confusing to
us in the field and it has to be incredibly confusing to the public
at large. That really is a sign of an active area of science, and in
this case it’s on a very important topic. I think this confusion
is just natural. I think it’s a healthy thing. It’s a small
field, too. The number of people actually doing hurricane climate
research around the world might only be 30 or 40 total. There’s
not a huge number of folks.
Are
more people coming into the field, now that the issue has become such
an important one?
They are. More really smart people are starting to take a close
look at both computer model simulations of today’s climate and
future climate, as well as taking a closer look at the observational
databases. People who were sort of interested but on the edge of the
science are now jumping in and getting involved.
Last
question. You live and work in Miami. Do you personally worry about
hurricanes yourself, as an immediate threat?
Yes. Yes. I worry about them a lot. I have a family here. During
last year’s hurricane season, we got hit twice directly. Hurricane
Katrina went over us as a category 1 storm, and then we got hit when
Hurricane Wilma came ashore. We didn’t have structural damage in
the house, but we lost some landscaping. And we had no power for
five days with Katrina and eleven days with Wilma. We have good
shutters on the house and we had a lot of supplies to ride out not
only the storm but also the aftermath. So, yes, these hurricanes
impact me and my family directly and so this is another reason why I
want to know what to expect, not just next year but for the next
couple of decades.
Christopher W. Landsea, Ph.D.
National Oceanographic & Atmospheric Administration
Miami, FL, USA
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most-cited paper with 88 cites to date: |
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Goldenberg SB,
et al., "The recent increases in Atlantic hurricane activity: causes and implications,"
Science 293(5529): 474-9, 20 July 2001. |
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Essential Science Indicators |
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ESI Special
Topics: November 2006
Citing URL: http://esi-topics.com/tropical/interviews/ChrisLandsea.html
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